Past Lives.

Discussion in 'Other Off-Topic Chat' started by Jack Napier, Mar 9, 2012.

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I think..

  1. Much like the idea of heavens, invented because it sounds better than death.

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  2. I have personal experience of it, and believe it.

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  3. Neat idea, but merely a fable of course.

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  4. Read a lot about it, no personal experience, but believe it.

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  5. Other (state what)

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  1. ronmatt

    ronmatt New Member

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    I hate it when people recommend reading something. I have to go find it, first. Always a pain...But, in this case, I can link a book that can be read in it's entirety, online...it does fit this threads subject matter...I know that everyone here has heard of Jack London..some may have read his works...few have heard of this gem..
    http://www.jacklondons.net/writings/StarRover/toc.html
     
  2. spt5

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    Sooo right. Can I join too? He is like all those "scientists" who demand that if there is a theory then it must be proven by repeatable experimentation. And then they make the logic error that if somethings can't be proven that way then it doesn't exist. Those "scientists" are like dogmatic religious priests and their church is the opinions of the guys that they choose to call peers.
     
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    They choose the next Dali Lama by showing some of the previous Dali Lama's personal effects to the candidate...mixed with other objects....if the candidate chooses the objects that belonged to the departed...he is the Dali Lama Incarnate
     
  4. Jack Napier

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    I am going to be as civil as I can about this.

    I can barely understand what you are even on about, in the above post.

    I am sure you will think this my shortcoming, and not that of you, but in all truth, to me it just reads mostly like a mix of mumbo jumbo, false assumptions, pseudo science, but very little in the way of evidence to support the idea that when we die, we reincarnate.

    Is the idea of there being nothing upon death really so scary?

    I can see how it would be, and that probably had a lot to do with how the early religions established themselves, giving simple people some notion of a heaven and a hell.

    Does that same motivation exist in those that doggedly believe in past lives, and reincarnation, despite there being no hard evidence?

    I believe so.

    And you can add spiritualists and so called mediums into that group, as well.

    What they are doing is putting on a show that actually gives the person no true closure, which everyone needs to heal, and instead, replaces this with the idea that their Uncle Bob is talking to them from the 'other side of life'.

    It is meant to make the recipitent feel better, and because they want to believe it, when they are there, they cannot help remembering only the right guesses, and forgetting the wrong one's.

    It is much like telling a happy ending fairytale to developing minds, imo.

    While being honest with kids is key, you would not tuck them in bed and read a few chapters of a serious book!

    You would read them a fantasy, one that likley ended happy, with justice and everything going right.

    Jmho

    Jack
     
  5. Jack Napier

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    Not even worth dignifying with a response, to be honest.

    You are coming over as somewhat irrational.
     
  6. Jack Napier

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    You stated on here that you were not interested in taking part?

    Have you change your mind - again.
     
  7. Jack Napier

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    Well, if it is infalsifiable, it is worthless, it can be fairly dismissed.

    Sorry, but that is how it is.
     
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    52% of people are still sane, lol.

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  9. Jack Napier

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    Let me throw this out.

    Say I claimed that I could teleport from one side of the room and back again, but so fast that not only would you eye not be able to pick it up, but that it could not be measured by 'any conventional means'.

    Now.

    I am a guy on the internet, making an incredible claim, but interestingly, one that cannot be falsified.

    So, do you automatically take me at my word, and literally believe that yes, I can do this.

    Or do you think the most likely option, is probably the best one to go for?

    And what do you think would be the most likely option, if I told you something like that?
     
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    Instead of sidestepping again. can you prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that reincarnation does not happen as you claim. Remember, I have never said that it does or doesn't. But you have said that it doesn't happen. So let's see you prove it.
     
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    You don't really have to be civil, these are message posts, so I can filter them for content, unlike live chat.

    What I was trying to do for you in that post was to lay down a mathematical foundation for a set of material experiments on the subject of past lives or what is after death.

    And no, the question of past lives is not about the fear of death. Quite simply, and scientifically, the statistical processes that generated your birth existed before your birth, and the statistical processes that generate your death include these.

    So, whilst you are a different person, not you, when you are in your other life, we must say that all your lives, i.e. all 'you's, are various projections of underlying statistical processes. Part of these statistical processes are the life processes, so there is no definite boundary between being alive and not being alive, take it as per time, or as per structure, or as per anything.

    And these are simply the facts.

    By the way, I don't know much about people who pull a "medium" business, but kiddy fairy tales have a much more far reaching dimension than just a feel-good story at bedtime.

    If you say you can teleport yourself when nobody solicited for that information then you will get skepticism.

    But with the past life question, the publicity is needed for people who already have past life information but wouldn't know how to make sense of it without the publications.
     
  12. Jack Napier

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    Sorry...what?

    What is the difference, run that past me again?
     
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    *Sigh*

    Once again, unless someone else is logged in as you, just yesterday you threw your toys out of the pram, and posted only to state, in public, that you were not going to take part.

    Yet, despite that, here you are again, demanding that I take part again with you now, and answer your first year questions.
     
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    For example, I have memories about events that couldn't have possibly happened to me in my life in any environment that I have been in. I thought I was crazy to have those, until I first read about past lives. Then it fell in place. Other people may need such a reference too.
     
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    So, sidestepped again.
     
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    Can you prove that when you were two, you had a Spiderman themed birthday? If you have no pictures, you have no physical evidence, and therefore it never happened.
     
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    Yep, it would be just your word against someone elses. Your memory agianst theirs. Isn't that what this is all about anyway.
     
  18. Jack Napier

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    Why should I answer anything you asked me, when you don't answer anything I ask, and come on here merely to admit that you don't want to take part?

    If you just repeat your last blurb, without addressing that, I will just ignore you.
     
  19. Jack Napier

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    It's hardly the same.

    What you state above is a normal and everyday thing.

    Even if mine cannot be pictured or witnessed, those of millions of others are.

    There is a precedent.

    Lots of.
     
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    looks like they just ran a re-print of this

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0988659328/ref=ox_ya_os_product
     

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