People died from mRNA shots...results from autopsies in Germany

Peope will never admit that they are unqualified to try and analyze these reports (or even analyze others analysis) because the have no training, education or experience in the subject.

 

Perhaps you can actually show a study that validates this assertion. We can wait. Can you explain why the myocarditis examined in the study didn't require having had COVID?

 

I can't explain it. I've seen a number of responses to the study, from actual doctors, who cite that the lack of a control group is a serious flaw in the study you are pointing to.

 

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.059970

Conclusions:
Overall, the risk of myocarditis is greater after SARS-CoV-2 infection than after COVID-19 vaccination

 

No sources other than official mainstream propaganda outlets can be allowed, all others must be ridiculed and dismissed? The propagandists are delighted at this practice. I am amazed that how much ad-hom "attack the source" fallacy is going on here. If the claim made in the OP is BS, it should be easy for them to debunk the claim instead of resort to "attack the source" ad hom fallacies.

 

And I did exactly that.

 

Listen, I did not graduate high school, but I do watch a lot of Fox news chat programs, and I can tell you that these vaccines are deadly......

 

Um yes. Myocarditis is caused by an immune reaction to viral proteins. The vaccine causes the production of (some) viral proteins, as does getting the virus.

 

water is lethal in large amounts, oranges contain arsenic, all carbon based molecules are organic, no one cannot drink gasoline just because its organic

 

On a superficial read - maybe. Rarely you can get myocarditis, and rarely myocarditis may lead to a fatal arrythmia. Their autopsies don't really prove that, just raises the possibility. It's not actually that unusual to find no anatomic cause of death on autopsy. But the question isn't really whether the shot has ever caused a single death. We already knew it has. The question is if it's better to get the shot or get covid naturally. That requires a statistical analysis for how likely one is to die from one or the other. I found a comparison for delta in the past, which was very much in favor of getting the shot. Haven't done omicron, but my suspicion is it's still safer to get the shot.

 

Cool. It also doesn't explain the existence then of myocarditis in those who haven't had COVID. It's a gap.

 

How much more?

 

True. But, if some medical experiments are conducted with no viable test for long term or risks involved, then we are really just lab rats that signed a waiver that we cannot sue in case we get injured or killed in this experiment.

Even now, we are finding out that clinical trials by Big Pharma on these vaccinations withheld the injuries and deaths involved probably because the Left and Right were in a big rush to be hero in providing a supposed life saving vaccination. In addition, Big Pharma wanted to capitalize on max profits. The loser is the population being the vaccination truly did save lives by keeping some people out of the hospital, yet did not prevent deaths and the vaccination did absolutely nothing to prevent people catching nor transmitting the virus.

Hence, it is not a vaccination, but a medical drug. I do figure that the amount of people adversely affected by the vax via injury or death is a great deal lower than those who died without getting the vax. So, government just banked on winning the percentages and hiding any test results from any who die as misinformation. We will never get to truly know the number of people who did get injured or died due to the vax since those with all the money (Big Pharma) and power (Government) won't want to be held liable at all costs. Hence, the massive marketing and fear campaign perpetrated to make the Sheep act like sheep.

 

The study isn't as clearly written as I would like, but it looks like these are the comparable percentages in bold: "Of the 42 842 345 people in the study population, 2861 (0.007%) were hospitalized or died from myocarditis during the study period; 345 (<0.001%) patients died within 28 days from a hospital admission with myocarditis or with myocarditis as cause of death recorded in the death certificate. A total of 617 (0.001%) of these events occurred 1 to 28 days after any dose of vaccine (Table 2). Of the 524 patients admitted to the hospital with myocarditis in the 1 to 28 days after any first or second vaccine dose, 151 (28.8%) had received a booster dose: 34.4% (79/230) of those who had ChAdOx1 in the first or second dose and 29.7% (72/243) of those who had BNT162b2 in the first or second dose (Table 2). Of the 5 934 153 patients with a SARS-CoV-2 infection, 195 (0.003%) were hospitalized or died with myocarditis in the 1 to 28 days after the positive test; 114 (58.5%) of these events occurred before vaccination."

So it's comparing 0.001% to 0.003%... I think... Very roughly, it looks like infection is about 3 times more likely to cause myocarditis... though respiratory problems are the more common issue.

 

Outstanding post. I was asking facetiously but got a factual answer. Thanks for taking the time.

 

So, what I see being Big Pharma and the Government was in such a massive rush to get a drug out there, they did a short term test of 1 month? Hmmm, in the past, the government forced Big Pharma to test vaccines for 5 to 10 years before releasing them to the public to ensure there are no true adverse affects. A month on a drug is most definitely not a test. Heck, even lab rat tests take longer.

Before the vax, we never saw anyone faint and die on live air television. Now, we see it every month and people act like that is normal.

 

I think the point of the 28 days in the analysis I quoted is that's the window in which myocarditis would be expected to occur if the exposure (vaccine, infection) was the cause of it. So if it occurred outside of that window, myocarditis is most likely caused by something else. Safety studies are continuously ongoing, really. The vaccine was rushed initially to minimize deaths from infection. As long as it's clear the vaccine causes far less death than expected infections, it's ethical.

 

I don't think so. I would prefer an independent analysis. We cannot say for sure except people are dying at a greater rate soon after Covid injection in numbers than those without. We are seeing a greater deal of people fainting and dying on live tv than ever before in the last 30 years. The numbers are still small per capita by far than the risk of dying from Covid directly, regardless. But, to not conduct a thorough research and just write off that the vaccine may affect some people differently than others and that it is safe for everyone is true misinformation. There is most definitely proof that the vaccine has killed some people albeit the numbers may be 0.001%, but it has happened. A true scientist or doctor would try to figure out why.

 

Sure, investigation is good. But you had implied they should not have released the vaccine due to insufficient testing. I explained why they did. And again, the question isn't whether the vaccine can rarely kill, the question is if it is more likely to save the person than kill them. That's always the standard for medical interventions. If you get an appendectomy, there's a very small chance you can die due to the surgery, but the surgery is more likely to save you from sepsis due to perforated appendicitis.

 

You have something showing that?

 

I started reviewing the list of "studies" posted en masse by one of our friendly vax-deniers. They all state that if you have myocarditis after a vax, it lasts for about a day and isn't dangerous.

Good scientific sleuthing boys!

 

~ The same is true of Co2 climate catastrophe, "Gender dysphoria" , non-binary nonsense. However "real" unbiased science is not part of government agenda.

 

I know! Easy, right? Why do many posters here attack any source that is not an established mainstream propaganda outlet, instead of simply debunking the claim? Rhetorical, you can't be expected to speak for anyone other than yourself. But, it just amazes me.

 

Its not an ad, and it doesn't attack anything, it simply explains the claim in the propaganda rags are void of supportive fact, but of course that never bothered you anyway.

If you want to believe the jab is dangerous, then don't take it. Who cares.

 

The article in the OP is garbage. EpochTimes is well known for twisting and exaggerating research results.

From the researchers who wrote the study. Their conclusions are as follows:


Our study is limited by the relatively small cohort size and inherits the bias of an endpoint analysis. The nature of our autopsy study necessitates that the data are descriptive in quality and does not allow any epidemiological conclusions in terms of incidence or risk estimation. The reported incidence of (epi-)myocarditis after vaccination is low and the risks of hospitalization and death associated with COVID-19 are stated to be greater than the recorded risk associated with COVID-19 vaccination [29]. Importantly, infectious agents may also cause lymphocytic myocarditis with a similar immunophenotype, thus meticulous molecular analyses is required in all cases of potentially vaccination-associated myocarditis.

Regarding a potential auto-immunological mechanism explaining the myocardial damage, histological examination of lymphatic nodes might be of interest, as Röltgen et al. described altered germinal center architecture following COVID-19 vaccination [30]. This aspect could not be addressed in our analysis, as systematic lymph node sampling was not part of our standardized autopsy protocol.

Finally, we cannot provide a definitive functional proof or a direct causal link between vaccination and myocarditis. Further studies and extended registry are needed to identify persons at risk for this potentially fatal AEFI and may be aided by detailed clinical, serological, and molecular analyses which were beyond the scope of this study. Considering that this fatal adverse event may affect healthy individuals, such registry and surveillance programs may improve early diagnosis, close monitoring, and treatment.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00392-022-02129-5

Currently, in Germany 127.7 million vaccinations have been administered. This study looked at 25 deaths of which 5 were possibly linked to vaccine caused myocarditis. As the researcher’s state, more research needs to be conducted. The lack of a control group is also a significant problem.

They also made the assumption that the cases of sudden death were caused by the vaccine because the deaths occurred shortly after the vaccination. That is an assumed correlation, not causation. I wonder what the incidence of fatal myocarditis is in the general population and how it compares to fatal myocarditis assumed to be caused by vaccines. Myocarditis can be caused by a lot of things.

They did 25 autopsies and found alternative causes of death in most of them.

Most studies have demonstrated that the risk of myocarditis post-vaccination is low. The vast majority of cases are very mild and resolve within a few days.

The risk of getting myocarditis is much higher if you catch COVID-19.

Again the Epoch Times article is exaggerated BS.