President of the Boy Scouts says longstanding ban on gay adults... >READ MOD WARNING<

Not if the posts you have put lies in actually have been refuted. And if you claim to keep making them over and over.

 

It's mainly deep blues that are still talking about it.

 

nobody is claiming that the gay lifestyle=pedophilia

the facts simply state that those who choose the gay lifestyle have a higher strike rate of pedophilia than those who chose the heterosexual lifestyle.

 

For the same damn reason that women aren't boy scout leaders, and men aren't girl scout leaders. C'mon man.

 

No, I'm not being Facetious.

And it depends. If you only put in a fraction of a second of thought, then that is true. Once you start thinking about the possible situations between varying age groups, power dynamics, etc.etc.. the answer becomes more complicated.

I think that comes from the notion that it feels like another angle of attack on being gay, and Gay marriage, rather then a constructive desire to find a way to reduce pedophilia. When you look at the historical record, of groups like the BSA and the Catholic Church (to name a couple of high profile groups in this situation), the suppressing of information, the moving of pedophile leaders without informing parents or the police, you see an environment of CYA rather then constructively improving the situation. And then you have people coming along and equating being gay with being a pedophile, and it's no small wonder that you see push back from the community. I think there definitely needs be a more open dialogue about this, but I doubt that will happen while people are still being unnecessarily demonized.

Absolutely. Which is why prohibiting outwardly gay men or women from being youth leaders is myopic. It doesn't matter what a person publicly identifies as, simply because so many of these straight leaders have been exposed as pedophiles.

Basically, unless you can read minds, you'll never truly know the desires of a persons heart, so your next best option is to go by their words, and their actions. And using those 2 denominators, straight men have a much higher propensity for molestation then gay men. Now, whether either of those groups is being outwardly honest about their orientation, one will never really know unless they are caught in the act (or on grindr lol).

Uh...what? My metaphor was about someone watching the game, not playing. But even playing, their is a huge difference in knowledge and skill between a guy who plays pond hockey on the weekends, and a full professional, yet both still 'play hockey'.

 

Funny. Sandusky is married to a woman. So he's not hetero.
Having sex with boys made him a pedophile also. Not gay.

 

But those whining here are only complaining about some group they have no clue if they are pedophiles or not. They continue to make stuff up and act like its true. Even when others have shown their irrational fear is completely unwarranted.
Seem like they have a chemical imbalance or willfully ignorant.

 

More facts that can be disputed. That is the premise of the willfully ignorant. Seems your facts are just as factual as his facts. With actual proof to dispute your so called facts.

Q. Can men be Girl Scout troop leaders?

A. Absolutely! Every Girl Scout troop requires two or more adults (minimum one unrelated female) with one adult designated as the leader.

http://www.girlscoutsla.org/pages/about/join_faqs.html

 

Kudos on the attempt at a thinly veiled insult by the way (and from a mod no less)

Now, to shoot it full of holes

please show me where there is a qualifier for age when it comes to how one labels male/female sex.

I was unaware that if 2 13-year old kids (m/f) engage in sex that it's not heterosexual. What is it, pseudo-sex?

The issue with trying to identify the homosexual lifestyle as more than a choice is the need to keep redefining words. Now the push is to try and reclassify heterosexual-sex and homosexual-sex into all kinds if different placeholders.

Sorry for being graphic but there's a penis and vagina

penis into vagina is heterosexual

 

There has not been 1 single person who disputed that. NOT 1.

 

Yep, I sure as hell wouldn't...

 

incorrect. If one is willing to accept that male/male sex is not homosexual then you'd be correct. But, male/male sex is homosexual as it's certainly not heterosexual.

 

What I find sick is that many people here don't know the difference between a child prepubescent child and an adult.

 

No, people that chose to be gay later in life claimed to have been hateful towards gays because they were hiding their homosexuality. And truthfully, I have a tough time even buying that bullhockey, much less the "studies." What's next, that gays aren't homosexual?

 

Then show them. So far you have not.
A pedophile is a pedophile. They may never have an attraction to an adult. Gay or straight.

 

I do. It's you who doesn't.

 

And I proved at least 1/2 your claim to be bogus. We'll see if you can prove your other 1/2 the claim wrong.
Matter of fact, I had female scout leaders when I was in scouts a few decades ago. So now what?

 

Because, many heterosexual males diddle little boys. They may like adult women, but they like their prepubescent child victims to be male. Again, you don;t know what a pedophile is, nor do you seem to know the difference between an adult and a child.

 

Just a question, is anyone interested in actually discussing the topic rather this nonsense about homosexuality and pedophilia?

I'm still waiting for someone to show me where it says in the values statements of the BSA that that one has to be heterosexual to be a scout leader to begin with.

 

Sorry if you believe that to be an insult, as it honestly wasn't. When one looks at a statement, a split second of thought will always garner the least descriptive, yet fully encompassing label your brain can come up with. It doesn't really matter what statement it is, because a split second doesn't give you time to flesh out a thought beyond the simplest parts of it. Reading a book is the same way. You can gloss over the words and get a general idea of the plot, but when you stop and really read the sentences, and flesh them out in your head, then you can get a much deeper understanding of the concepts and themes the author is trying to get across.

Now, when it comes to Sex, generally sex between kids rarely happens, and I don't think has any specific terminology to define it. Understandable as it isn't something that requires such study beyond a cursory knowledge.

Now, Sex between Adults and Kids, is a much different, more complex beast which has been studied extensively, and has resulted in various terminology so as to accurately represent the varying differences.

Here is a Wiki explaining the various terms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronophilia

 

Show me the peer reviewed study showing mine is incorrect.

Then show me the study saying mine is wrong. Because your opinion doesn't trump the entire medical and psychological community, or peer reviewed research.

 

No problem.........

http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/orientation.aspx

https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/pedophilia

So there you go. Orientation, and pedoohilia both qualified with an age distinction.

Is one of them an adult and the other prepubescent?

Orientations are not a choice.

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I've posted the studies several time already.

 

please show me ONCE where i say anything but the SEXUAL ACT

you can try and sugar coat all that you want. male/male sex is homosexual sex.

I discuss SEX ACT

you come back with "orientation" which is a feel good discussion and one in which I do not allow to be used as attempts to deflect from the sex act.

no sir, male/male sex is homosexual sex

 

I just refuted this.

 

Good point. Everyone should be assumed innocent unless proven guilty, although in some instances such as adoption and divorce the statistics would be a factor.

I think the issue is not so much a legal one as a political one. If gays are more prone to be pedophiles then that presents a problem in their quest to appear normal and seeking "equality".