President of the Boy Scouts says longstanding ban on gay adults... >READ MOD WARNING<

No, 1% of the entire population are pedophiles. If that 1% of the entire population were also gay, then if 2% of the entire population were gay that means 50% of gays are pedophiles.

 

An adult relationship does not definitively determine the sexual orientation of the person, just because a man has a female wife does not mean he is not gay. That's been the excuse to reduce the number of gay pedophiles (claiming he had a female wife so he could not be gay).

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/23168113/ns/health-behavior/t/i-married-gay-man/#.VWTxXbl0ymQ
http://www.examiner.com/article/man-kills-wife-for-life-insurance-after-realizing-he-is-gay

That's BS, claiming everyone is some type of LGBT, its the typical type of argument designed to make LGBT's seem normal. And biology? Human beings are a heterosexual species, attraction to the same sex and certainly being homosexual is a diversion and a risk to the species survival, that's just simple evolution.

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If it was proven that gays are not more likely to be pedophiles then there is no debate. As I have stated, the issue in unresolved, highly politicized, and difficult to resolve due to what appears to be deliberate obfuscation.

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On this issue, there are studies that show whatever you want to believe. That's why its such an issue.

 

There isn't a debate. There are people bloviating mindlessly, and denying the science.
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It's called empirical research. You don't like the results so you stomp your feet. That doesn't change the results.

There are no peer reviewed studies that support your position.

 

+10! Me neither! PC will end the Boy scouts as it once was! I guess a Rainbow flag can be hoisted over BS headquarters to establish victory.....but that (so called) victory comes with a cost!

 

Maybe more heterosexuals are pedophiles than gay men are pedophiles, it doesn't appear to be very clear. Maybe more heterosexual men are pedophiles simply because >95% of men are heterosexual, but the rate of heterosexual men who are pedophiles versus gays who are pedophiles is TBD.

As far as gay men being youth leaders, that's not such a clear issue at all. Many oppose openly LGBT as leaders in religious organizations for religious reasons, and that's not going to change. Organizations which are family oriented or traditional are going to have a problem as well.

 

The most interesting study I saw had a device that measures penis size. They asked people about their attitudes toward gays, then they showed them videos of gay porn. In general, those who were most anti-gay had the most tendency toward penile erection. Make of that what you will.

 

Let's just try to understand that very few people are pedophiles. Very few straights, very few gays.

 

But unfortunately for you, evolution is not at all simple. Lots of animals, not just people, have sex with members of the same and the opposite sex. The distribution is not straight bimodal. AND population statistics show that homosexuality tends to run in more prolific families. There seems to be a correlation with propensity to be gay, and propensity for close relatives to have large families. Nobody knows why.

 

No matter what, very few straights are pedophiles, even if 100% of all pedophiles are straight.

That cannot be said of gays, which is the fear of the gays.

 

Being gay is waste of resources and hurts the entire population, in nature it would be considered deviant and a dead end, such members would be quickly evolutionarily culled. Because there are gay animals does not mean it is acceptable, normal, or biologically sound.

 

This is simply flat WRONG. Very few people are pedophiles. Very few straights, very few gays. Those are the facts. Your fears are groundless. You should celebrate!

 

But as it happens, this turns out not to be the case. Homosexuality has been part of the human condition since our species evolved, and doubtless well before that. So far, it doesn't seem to have caused any problems. And the statistics indicate that gays come from larger families, so there might be a link there. You must surely realize that if it were as deleterious as you imagine, it would have been culled and eliminated a million years ago. Don't you wonder why it has not?

Anyway, you have odd criteria. Homosexuality is clearly normal, always has been. It is biologically sound, or it would be long gone. Whether it is acceptable depends on the level of bigotry of those who are not gay. Most normal people have no problem with it at all. Why do you?

 

That was my point. You don't know what the real numbers are. You make things up and hope stuff sticks.
The real number could be zero gays are pedophiles. Based on the definition of pedophile. For you seem to not get a pedophile has an attraction to prepubescent children. Some may have no preference to the sex of the child.
You just want to keep shouting gay = pedo, with nothing to back it up. Even you admit that.
Christians are more prone to being pedo's based on what happened in the RC church. I guess all children need to stay away from christians. That is what you're shouting.

 

They aren't. I'm an assistant Scout master. If Youth Protection rules are followed, it wouldn't matter if a Scout leader is gay, pedophile or whatever. If YP rules aren't followed, a Scout leader can be dismissed almost instantly. Most of us Scout leaders are watching the other Scout leaders for signs of grooming, etc. I have yet to spot any in my almost 9 years in Scouting.

 

Trail Life,IMHO, are a bunch of traitors. Instead of trying to fix things, they just left. They will not get any of the BSA infrastructure.

BSA at the local level is a great organization. The national organization is trying to micromanage things and change it. What needed to have been done two years ago (when gay scouts were allowed), was to allow the decision of choice of Scoutmasters to be up to the local charters/Troops. I don't care if Troop xxx up the road has gay scoutmasters. I just don't want my troop to have them, and as part of that, I do volunteer my time and treasure to be a scout leader.

The other part is that not many men without children become Scout leaders. That means, practically speaking, any gay scout leader will more than likely be a parent to a boy in the Troop. Parents (of either sex) are already allowed to go on any Scout activity, regardless of their sexual preferences. That said, there are strict rules about the behavior of any adult around any children (other than the adult's own children). I can't share a tent with any kids besides my own (as if I would want to share a tent with a stinky teenager). The same applies to any and all adults.

Also, the President of the BSA is a figure-head position, not an administrative or decision-making position. The real power in National belongs to the Chief Scout Executive.

 

A couple things. 1) under current Youth Protection guidelines, there have to be at least two adults present, one of which has to be a male (presumably straight). 2) IMHO, if gay scout leaders are allowed, we would need to revise YP guidelines to categorize a gay scout leader as a separate category, i.e. require at least one straight male to be on every trip. 3) following current rules, there is little or no chance for molestation to occur, especially if all the adults are on the watch for grooming behavior, etc. 4) BSA is the best organization for boys created in our time, it is the only place that allows teen-aged boys to actually lead other people, it would be a shame if petty politics destroys it.

 

Stats show that married Protestant ministers have the same proclivities of molesting boys at about the same rate as Catholic priests. It's still below the rate of molestation by males as a whole.

 

So you couldn't solve the simple math puzzle. I would appreciate seeing the source of your stats, too.

 

http://www.newsweek.com/priests-commit-no-more-abuse-other-males-70625

I'm not worried with answering your puzzle. I wanted to just point out your premise is basically wrong.
The main difference is that if a Catholic priest abuses a child, it becomes news for months. If a Protestant pastor abuses a child, it's news for a single newscast.

 

The reason for that is how it was systematically covered up by the Catholic Church. That's what made those crimes so egregious, horrific and newsworthy.

When you factor in the Church's claims of moral superiority, that makes it even worse.

 

I saw the newsweek story, and also a story in Free Republic that was considerably more detailed - and emphasized that reliable statistics are damn hard to come up with considering that reporting (by children) is spotty, and organizations like churches tend to suppress it. But their numbers indicated that Catholic priests were more likely to be molesters than Protestant ministers, who were in turn more likely than non-clergy. It's a complex issue.

And I would like to see you attack the puzzle. It's an interesting exercise in numbers.

 

Actually, BSA has had women leading Cub Scouts since the beginning. They have had women leading Boy Scouts for decades (almost three) since 1988. The rules are, though, that on an outing with Boy Scouts, if a female leader is present, there has to be at least one adult male leader present. All outings require at least two adults, one of which is the same gender as the participants. BSA has a branch called Venture Scouts which allow girls (age 14-20) to be members. On venturing outings, if a female Scout is present, one of the leaders has to be female. If a male Scout is present, one of the leaders has to be male.

IMHO, if gay Scout leaders are to be allowed, rules need to be changed so that at least one straight adult male is present whenever boys are present, and at least one straight adult female is present whenever girls are present.

 

The Catholic Church I have belonged to for almost 50 years never claims that it's not made up of sinners, and that it makes mistakes. I have yet to hear a priest that doesn't claim to be a sinner. I have heard a Bishop that says the same.

The difference is that this country has deep anti-Catholic roots.