Professor Raoult Releases Results of New Hydroxychloroquine Treatment Study on 1061 Patients

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  1. Bowerbird

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    What makes you think they are not looking at multiple different drugs?

    You do not put all your eggs in the one basket that has a hole in the bottom of it
     
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    I haven't read the trial data but did notice "older adults". That places >4% ICU rates in a column all its own, not seen to date with "older adults."

    I'll read the report.
     
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    Man I miss perot. I swear it was friggen stockdale that cost him the election, it's what stopped me in my tracks. I wonder if we all had 2nd run at that election if we'd choose differently.
     
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    Will you bloody STOP with this partisan bull fracking FECES? It's really beginning to get to me how we're all supposed to run right out and dose ourselves to the gills with these kill or cure concoctions for the good of Mr MAGA and his Stock Market or we're all fanatic victims of TDS. At least let us get SICK before we're on strong chemo willya?
     
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    The only people limiting trials and banning drugs are politicians.
     
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    Trump is doing his part. He's attacking the one organization that's actually trying to do some good. After this is all over he will cut off their money entirely and divert all funds for any other future pandemic readiness to his Wall.
     
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    Which pols are these?
     
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    If mixed metaphors was an actual cure you'd have just made us all immortal.
     
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    All drugs have side effects honestly.(Though I'd hope not to contract the most fatal ones.). But the most fatal effect is the one that's spelled D.E.A..T..H.

    But even regardless of this particular drug, what does the drug do to the virus? The general effects of the drug can surely be found in safer, anti-viral medications. Even if those medications aren't as effective, it could buy us some time. That's what we need to do now: Buy time.
     
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    It's no surprise that only 92% have good outcomes since most people who have severe symptoms were already at death's door before they contracted the disease. However, as we've seen, politicizing a virus was the last gasp of hope for Democrats' 2020 electoral prospects and they would rather kill their constituents than find a solution that might undermine their virus-centric electoral strategy.
     
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    Because of the way this treatment works. It’s been known by people that care to understand the protocol it isn’t intended to cure severe cases already exhibiting lung damage, etc. I’ve said from the beginning it should be used as early as possible.

    Try thinking it through. Why do we give it to people before they have malaria symptoms?

    I believe there are some trials underway using it as a preventative in healthcare workers, but I can’t find anything concrete. Probably won’t be anything available until the trials are over. Based on how it works it should work great in that use case.
     
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    I'm glad to see the evidentiary basis is getting built for the use of these drugs and glad to see that the treatment seems to show some positive results.

    Nobody wanted these drugs to fail. We just want to make sure they work before folks start taking them en masse because their president saw a news headline about it while flipping through his phone apps.

    I was never in favor of banning folks from them though, even before testing was done. I just wanted the president to stop advising medications to people before the actual doctors had a chance to properly vet them.
     
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    Haven't looked into ivermectin, but having read lots of your posts over the years, going to just go ahead and assume there is some catch involved that somehow either 1) disadvantages the U.S. economy further... likely due to some kind of hidden additional delays, or 2) Orangemanbad somehow. No idea which, but will take one or both as safe bets from my side of the crystal ball.
     
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    In normal times, we can take all of the years, thousands of patients, etc that we want. But in the President's mind(and my own), time is of the essence. And if there's effective treatments, available in the here and now rather than wait for "unproven" medications that literally are going to take more than a year, we can take what we have.

    Far from being reckless, the President was being proactive. Problem is, big pharma has never made bucks based on proactiveness or compassion. That's why the tests flopped in the first place.

    Big Pharma is indeed an enemy of America, Liberals got that right.
     
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    "Their mean age was 43.6 years old"

    Why was their selection criteria based on people so young. Most people who need hospital treatment are much older. One would have thought that their sample should be those who are already hospitalized
     
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    Laughing... Fair enough.
     
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    Yeh, and you point out how they jacked up the ventilator dynamic, not having any data to back up those treatments in C19, and you get crickets. This is getting to the point of being bizarre.
     
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    Hint: people dont take prescription drugs en masse. They are prescribed by physicians who know a **** ton more about drug safety than you.
     
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    Can you point me to the human trials? I haven’t been able to find any evidence ivermectin has been used for C19 in humans at all. Your links are all in vitro. I hope ivermectin works. Hell, I’d try it myself. It’s not like I’ve never had it before. But based on availability of information on chloroquine and ivermectin, if I came down with C19 tomorrow I’d want chloroquine and zinc. There’s orders of magnitude more information on chloroquine’s effectiveness than ivermectin’s. That’s just a fact.
     
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    Millions of people use plaquenil safely ever day, under the guidance of their doctor.
    Leave the drug safety issue to physicians. They are trained, you are not.
     
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    How many people have been treated with the drug for treatment of this virus, and how many have had deadly cardiac disrhythmias as a result?
    Anyone?
    Buehler?
     
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    Rest assured, I'll stake my last fake bitcoin sliver on it, there's some catch or "trojan horse" with ivermectin, else it would not have been posted.

    But I could do with a good worming, so there's that. Hell if they force-dosed the whole population inside the beltway with ivermectin, there wouldn't be ANYTHING LEFT, so hmmm.
     
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    That is BUNK. Comorbidity is NOT at deaths door. And as was said, the DEATH outcome is about the same as NO DRUG. So, perhaps it works for MILD cases, and EARLY intervention. MAYBE. The numbers STILL don't sound so clear. AND, the OTHER DRUGS are not tried to this degree, and may prove BETTER. But the cheerleaders are not boosting those. It MOST certainly does not show that they should be used no matter what, and in all cases.
     
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