Project Gunrunner

Welcome back, Bondo. Long-time-no-see.



It's ironic (dishonest?) that you accused me of saying something and then not being able to show my quote saying it.

By your response above, are you agreeing with the other member that "Gunrunner was devised to provide Anti-2A ammo for Left & Zero Administration"? If the answer is "yes", then you would also be a believer in another false conspiracy theory. ............Unless, you have proof, that is..........

 

Ayuh,... Why shouldn't I agree with Gator,.....

yer denial of the Truth is Right here,...

'n I have no time for mindless sheep following the Progressive Liberal agenda....
Baaaaaaa.....

The Obama administration continually shows it's a firm believer in Selective Enforcement of All laws....

 

OK,... then you agree with Gator that there is a conspiracy afoot by the Justice Dept and the Executive Office "to attack, 'n try to destroy Our 2nd amendment Rights...". All this without proof but chock full of suppositions and wild and fearful assumptions. Basically the very definition of a conspiracy theory, right? This is precisely what I have taken umbrage to, remember?

Oh, this is rich (and pathetic at the same time). I have NEVER denied the established facts of this case here, and your disjointed quotes only confirm this. I have only questioned the wild conspiracies and assumptions that have been offered as motives here.

Guess you missed that in your haste.
Nice try though...... "A" for effort.

 

Guns From 'Fast and Furious' Sting Linked to 11 More Violent Crimes:

WASHINGTON – Weapons from the failed federal operation "Fast and Furious" have reportedly been linked to 11 more violent crimes in the U.S., including in places like Arizona and Texas where a total of 42 weapons were seized.

As early as January 2010, guns tied to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosions were found at crime scenes in cities like Phoenix, Glendale and El Paso, the Los Angeles Times first reported.

The ATF program was designed to identify cartel leaders in Mexico by allowing for the illegal purchase of weapons and then tracking the firearms. The operation backfired when ATF lost track of the guns.

Under the program, 1,418 firearms were circulated though the number of disappeared guns is still unknown.

In a letter obtained by Fox News, Justice Department officials said last month they are cooperating with congressional investigations and the Justice Department inspector general's office. It also acknowledged that ATF Acting Director Kenneth E. Melson "likely became aware" of the operation as early as December 2009.

But Republicans leading the congressional probe into Fast and Furious replied to Attorney General Eric Holder in a letter Tuesday, saying that many of his answers to their inquiries were "non-responsive."

"We are disappointed that the Department has chosen to play word games rather than simply responding with as much detail as possible about these additional 11 cases," wrote Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform and Sen. Charles Grassley, the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee.

Meanwhile, three supervisors in charge of the program are being transferred to Washington for new management positions at the agency's headquarters. The decision to promote William Newell and David Voth, both field supervisors who managed the program out of the agency's Phoenix office, and William McMahon, who was the ATF's deputy director of operations in the West, earned criticism from U.S. Sen. John Cornyn.

"Until Attorney General (Eric) Holder and Justice Department officials come clean on all alleged gun-walking operations, including a detailed response to allegations of a Texas-based scheme, it is inconceivable to reward those who spearheaded this disastrous operation with cushy desks in Washington," Cornyn, R-Texas, wrote to Holder.

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Evidence Suggests Cover-Up in ATF Scandal, as More Guns Appear at Crime Scenes:

Just hours after the death of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, federal officials tried to cover up evidence that the gun that killed Terry was one the government intentionally helped sell to the Mexican cartels in a weapons trafficking program known as Operation Fast and Furious.

The revelation comes just days after a huge shake-up of government officials who oversaw the failed anti-gun trafficking program and Congress renewed its demand for more answers.

Also late Thursday, Sen. Charles Grassley's office revealed that 31 more Fast and Furious guns have been found at 12 violent crime scenes in Mexico.

In an internal email the day after Terry's murder, Assistant U.S. Attorneys Emory Hurley and then-U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke decided not to disclose the connection, saying "this way we do not divulge our current case (Fast and Furious) or the Border Patrol shooting case."

Grassley, R-Iowa, and Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said Thursday they are expanding their investigation into the scandal. In a strongly worded letter to Anne Scheel, the new U.S. attorney for Arizona, the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee requested interviews, emails, memos and even hand-written notes from members of the U.S. attorney's office that played key roles in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) program.

“The level of involvement of the United States Attorney’s Office ... in the genesis and implementation of this case is striking,” wrote Issa and Grassley.

The two claim witnesses have told them that recently reassigned Hurley may have also prevented ATF agents from doing their jobs.

“Many ATF agents working on Operation Fast and Furious were under the impression that even some of the most basic law enforcement techniques typically used to interdict weapons required the explicit approval of your office, specifically that from Hurley,” the letter states.

Issa and Grassley said they want to speak with Hurley and Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael Morrissey, along with Patrick Cunningham, chief of the office’s Criminal Division.

Not only do congressional investigators want to "make sense" of details of the operation that allowed more than 2,000 guns to "walk" and later turn up at crime scenes on both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border, but they want to known why Hurley -- who knew almost immediately the guns found at Terry's crime scene belonged to Fast and Furious -- tried to "prevent the connection from being disclosed."

Grassley also raised concerns about the latest data on Fast and Furious guns found at crime scenes in Mexico.

“The Justice Department has been less than forthcoming since day one, so the revisions here are hardly surprising, and the numbers will likely rise until the more than 1,000 guns that were allowed to fall into the hands of bad guys are recovered -- most likely years down the road," Grassley said in a statement released Thursday.

"What we’re still waiting for are the answers to the other questions the Attorney General failed to answer per our agreement. The cooperation of the Attorney General and his staff is needed if we’re ever going to get to the bottom of this disastrous policy and help the ATF and the department move forward.”

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Obama stimulus funded 'guns-to-drug-lords' plan:

Spending bill gave $10 million of taxpayers' funding to effort.

Just a day after U.S. Rep. Allen West, R-Fla., called for Attorney General Eric Holder's removal, alleging a White House connection to the "Project Gunrunner" that allowed weapons to be delivered to Mexican drug lords, confirmation has come that the program originated at the highest levels of the Obama administration.

The link is the $10 million in taxpayer dollars designated to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives for Project Gunrunner in Obama's 2009 American Reinvestment and Recovery Act, otherwise known as the Stimulus Bill.

Section 5, Division A, Title II, under the heading of "Office of Justice Programs," says the money is set aside for border regions.

For an additional amount for 'State and Local Law Enforcement Assistance,' $40,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 2014, for competitive grants to provide assistance and equipment to local law enforcement along the Southern border and in High-Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas to combat criminal narcotics activity stemming from the Southern border, of which $10,000,000 shall be transferred to 'Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Salaries and Expenses' for the ATF Project Gunrunner.

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Are Fast and Furious Guns Coming to a Town Near You?

Like a cancer, the growing number of news stories being uncovered from the cache on Operation Fast and Furious relentlessly gnaws at the Obama administration. And at a time like this, when other scandals, such as Solyndra, are raising questions about possible White House improprieties, the President who promised us transparency is forced to circle the wagons to protect the White House, the Justice Department and the myriad federal agencies involved in Fast and Furious from the eyes of investigative committees in the House and Senate.

What makes things even worse for Obama & Co. is that Fast and Furious is not over yet. There are still more than 1,000 guns unaccounted for, grenade components that were moved across the border to the Mexican cartel, and questions about how truthful the administration has been in reporting details to date.

For example, although we’ve been told for months that only two Fast and Furious guns were found at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in December 2010, we now know there were at least three. We also know that the existence of the third gun and its ties to Fast and Furious were intentionally covered up by the FBI.

And while Obama & Co. has tried to act like American citizens were not endangered by Fast and Furious, recent unsettling news is that in 2010, police in Maricopa County, Ariz., apprehended a Mexican national with a Fast and Furious gun in his possession. He had rammed two police cruisers and tried to outrun others before being caught with two weapons in his possession, one of which was a gun that was supposed to be walked into Mexico and transferred to the cartel.

How many other criminals are driving the streets in Arizona, Texas and New Mexico with Fast and Furious weapons in their cars right now?

Moreover, how many of the 1,000 Fast and Furious guns unaccounted for are in the U.S. instead of Mexico?

These are serious questions that need to be answered by the administration that promised us transparency.

And when you couple these new developments with the fact that we now know White House officials were briefed on Fast and Furious far more and in far greater detail than we were first led to believe, it’s hard to keep from thinking that Obama and his underlings have something to hide.

For example, although the administration is playing dumb on the specifics of the operation, Rep. Darrell Issa (R.-Calif.) has learned that White House official Kevin O’Reilly received e-mails from Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) supervisor William Newell about “a 22-year-old kid on State financial assistance [who walked] into a gun store and [plopped] down $12,000 in cash to buy a tripod mounted .50-caliber rifle” during the Fast and Furious operation. In other words, the White House was told that a young man on food stamps bought a $12,000 specialty rifle (for which ammo alone is well over $3 per bullet), and this was only one of nearly 700 gun buys this particular straw purchaser made under the auspices of that operation.

How can a White House that knew such purchases were taking place likewise claim it knew nothing about the gun-walking aspect of the Fast and Furious operation?

For now there’s no answer, but answers need to be pursued, because this operation is rife with coverups and questions that could sink even the most popular President, much less Obama.

Someone in the administration lied, and people died: lots and lots of people, among them a U.S. Border Patrol agent whose family is being denied closure. Therefore, House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Issa has “formally asked the Obama administration to turn over copies of 'all records' dealing with exchanges between White House officials and the ATF on Fast and Furious."

Let's hope Issa gets to the bottom of this mess before a Fast and Furious weapon makes it to a town near you.

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You might have more benefit from posting stories by objective writers and not conservative hacks.

 

There are still hundreds of guns sold under the "program" that are unaccounted for. It doesn't matter who is reporting it.

You keep defending a losing battle.

 

Straw man. What exactly am I "defending", other than objectivity, Constitutional freedoms, and patience? Perhaps you see something wrong with that.

 

Nothing wrong with that. The battle is not lost, but it certainly looks like another scandal unfolding. Not good for the Obama Administration.

 

Your ideology is again tripping you up. Your statement that "The battle is not lost", is very telling. Your approach appears to be motivated as a means to an end and NOT an inquisitive wish for knowledge. If wrongdoing occurred then we should know about it and the guilty party or parties should be held accountable. This can only be done in an open legislative court, judicial court, and in the court of public opinion. This does not however seem to be YOUR particular approach. No, YOUR motivation seems to be entirely motivated by a desire to give our President a black eye.

Your statement is VERY telling.

 

The Justice Department and the President have given themselves the "black eye". They are not cooperating fully. This does not look good, specially with the mounting evidence of the scandal.

 

Balkanization will be the Democrat Progressives undoing .

 

Yes, we are well aware of your biased ideology. What I'm trying to get you to understand is that we have a Constitution and the rule of law in this country that allows for Due Process. I realize that you believe this can only apply to conservatives, but it is actually for ALL of us. You have made many assumptions that cannot be substantiated at this time.

Your statement that "The battle is not lost", is very telling.

 

A Point Without Partisanship — A Scandal Everyone Should Be Concerned About:

With the exception of CBS News, few media outlets have paid much attention to Operation Gun Walker a/k/a “Fast and Furious,” which has no relation to Vin Diesel.

The lack of media attention may be about to change. This is a huge and troublesome scandal. The left is, I think, afraid to touch it because of just how far up within the Obama Justice Department the scandal appears to go. The right has been focused more on other fights. The media is focused elsewhere. But the wind is shifting. Without throwing any partisan punches, let me just objectively get in to this business and why the left, the right, and the media should be paying attention.

I wrote about Operation Gun Walker back in March. In short, the ATF allowed Mexican drug lords to buy guns in the United States and walk them across the Mexican border. The too clever by half theory was that the American government would be able to then track the guns via their serial numbers and paint a picture of drug cartel activity by where the guns showed up.

The federal government never advised Mexico nor sought Mexico’s permission. Perversely, the ATF reported decided to then use the gun sales it authorized as evidence that the federal government needed more gun regulations.

As you might expect, the whole operation blew up in the ATF’s face. Using a Gun Walker gun, Mexican drug lords killed an American border patrol agent. Recently another murder on this side of the border turned up tied to a Gun Walker gun.

New evidence in the investigation conservative shows more than 200 murders linked to Operation Gun Walker guns.

Now, even more (*)(*)(*)(*)ing evidence is showing up in the form of secret recordings obtained by CBS News. According to the tapes, made between ATF Agent Hope MacAllister and a gun dealer named Andre Howard, Agent MacAllister admitted she had suggested the ATF hire a private investigator to dig up dirt on U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley to persuade Grassley to stop investigating the ATF.

Now forget all the partisan points for a minute. We have more than 200 deaths attributed to this operation and an ATF agent on tape saying she thought the ATF needed to dig up dirt on a U.S. Senator to stop him from investigating the ATF. At some point we all, left, right, and center, need to recognize when the inmates have taken over the asylum.

This is the federal bureaucracy out of control and it needs a brighter spotlight on it.

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We already know this. That is why there is an investigation, although many involved are not so willing to talk. The only bias I see is media bias. If this was a Republican Administration, all hell would break loose.

 

Yeah, you mean like 'Whitewater'?


That whole 'Liberal media bias' is a little tired and outdated, don't you think? You have new tricks?



You talked ion terms of this being a "battle", as if the winner would be conservatives and the loser: everyone else. Elitism doesn't impress me.

 

I'm not here to impress you.

 

Good, because it wasn't working. I fear your gun bias tends to cloud your rational thinking at times.

 

The same is true with your anti-gun bias.

 

Your response above gives you away. I'm not "anti-gun", so your bias has once again gotten in your way.

 

You don't come across as so.

 

How exactly would you define an "anti-gunner"? Someone who is against guns? Someone who is against freedoms? Someone who is for the banning of all guns?

Sorry, I'm none of those things. When you search for extremism through extremism, then that's typically what you'll find, unless you look a little closer with logic and reason.

 

You could have fooled me on your gun stance. You fight too hard for the gun control crowd.