Republicans are at it again

Right, but companies can't issue worker visas. They need stooges in government to do that.

 

Conservatives argue for a points system like they have in Australia and Canada while many liberals oppose it. The fight is over illegals and legals.

 

Yeah, and companies hire illegals.

 

Not really, "I" descended from people that were branded as WOPS (to an Italian that's the equivalent of the N word; btw); which meant With Out Papers.

 

But this topic is about skilled worker visas. Tech companies are not driving a pick up to the local home depot and picking up coders for the day.

 

I am descended from a Cuban "****." I still had a bit of Spanish accent when I entered high school. I took a lot grief for it and lost the accent pretty quickly. So did my mother. Been there done that. Were your parents legal immigrants? My mother was.

 

We wouldn't see so much opposition to work visas if we had a handle on illegal immigration. Our northern neighbor illustrates that point.

 

My parents were born in These United States. It was my Great-Grandfather's and that made many trips back and forth, steerage (worse than being loaded in a cattle truck), until they had brought their wives and children over too; my Grandfather was one of the children, my Grandmother was born here.

 

People who undertake such an adventure have more mettle and drive than most people. You should be proud of what they did. My mother did it the easy way. She married an American. My wife's mother is like your grandparents. She immigrated from Poland all by herself as a teenager. Takes guts..

 

That may be true, but since the Democratic Party has thrown in it's lot with illegals, we're not going to make any progress on that.

 

Maybe not. Maybe even probably not. Doesn't mean I won't speak up.

I think there's a deal to be had—my national ID card and a point system in return for letting the DACA kids stay.

 

Your 75% statistic covers all of STEM which is a massive category, while chip manufacture is advanced electrical engineering. EE tends to be a lot more practical and in demand than most STEM majors.

 

So politically, you would except a compromise in which the DACA [middle aged] kids stay, but their parents and every other illegal not in the DACA program gets deported?

 

What's the percentage for Electrical Engineering majors then?

 

I have no idea. Majors like computer science, electrical engineers, and nursing tend to have high salaries and lots of jobs unlike most professions.

 

In other words...STEM jobs. So that 75% was probably about right.

 

Apparently my great grandfather was 99% determination.

 

But not every STEM major is the same. There is a ton of STEM in a bunch of academic areas that have few jobs. But EE is far more practical and high paying. We also don't have many electrical engineers with expertise in chip production specifically so it would be nice if we could just steal some of this talent from other countries. This would also help us produce more at home if we could get talent qualified in these manufacturing processes that are offshore.

 

And there's the problem, why have a win/win situation when you can have failure?

 

You have not offered any sort of data or figures to prove your claim. Do we have a lack of electrical engineers? Do we have a lack of electrical engineers with expertise in chip production? How many electrical engineers are working outside their field? How much does the market need?

As far as I can tell, none of the 10 major US chip companies use H-1B's. Amazon and Walmart do though.

 

My preference would something a little different, but I think a Republican Congress (2023-2025) could make the deal I outlined with Joe.

 

Synopsis: This is part of what happens when we have WAY too many Liberal Arts majors and WAY too few Natural Sciences majors graduating from universities and entering the workforce....

 

I have no idea how many electrical engineers work outside our field or how many we have with expertise in chip manufacture. Just based on intution I can't imagine why many EEs would work outside the field they got a degree in. Also, I don't know how we would have many chip manufacture experts if we haven't been producing them ourselves. But its an educated guess really.

I don't see the harm of attracting talent from abroad in either case because this will certainly improve our abilities to independently produce chips and not rely on Taiwan for this. If China were to attack Taiwan this would disrupt our ability to make computers, phones, weapons, and cars and be a huge problem for us if we can't do it ourselves fast enough.

 

He has even less..

TSMC is spending a billion to build a state of the art plant, and he wants to keep them from bringing their best.

It's nuts.

 

If there was shown to be an actual shortage of people with those specific skills that could not be found here in the US, I would agree with you, but I've seen no evidence that's the case.