Saudi Arabia Is Scrubbing Hate Speech from School Books

They are not only protected to stand there. The government protects them when they teach their hatred... also against the Jews.
It's obvious white Christians may teach to hate Jews, but a brown muslim may not.

 

Apart from these tiny minority loonies who are the most hated people in America what Christians teach hatred of Jewish people?

 

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are our allies, North Korea will do whatever is in their best interest. Iran is the real threat, religious fundamentalists exporting terrorism all over the world.

 

Rob - there are few examples of Iran exporting Terror around the world - so your claim is false at the outset - and at minimum in comparison to the amount of Terror Exported around the World by El Saud - Pakistan.

but we are not talking about terrorism here - so your false assumed premise matters not but - the US supported radical Islamist terror groups - such as Al Qaeda/ISIS - way more than Iran over the last Decade - and how come you do not seem to know this being a regular here ?

On to the topic which is nukes. the "Nuclear Threat" - which nation is the most dangerous - likely to start a nuclear war. Notme claimed "The US" .. I disagreed and stated Pakistan is just as much if not more of a threat due to religious fanaticism.. sans Mike Pence becoming the next President (tongue in cheek)

El Saud - Pakistan - ideology is way more fanatical and radical than Iran - as is the influence of Religion over the leadership in Pakistan - who actually have nukes.

"Our Allies" - is a horrible argument - just terrible.
1) We may not be allies with Pakistan tomorrow. - nor El Saud for that matter but they do not have nukes.

2) Pakistan may start a Nuclear war with someone it is not allies with - as in India - albeit religious justification is a factor here - and USA is much better justification that India .. so your defense would help to challenge 2) .. but unfortunately fails horribly to 1)

 

1. Are you KIDDING?

Countering Iran's Global Terrorism - United States Department of State

Iran and state-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia

2. Um, when exactly did the US support ISIS and AQ? Do explain THAT? Being a regular here I deal in facts not perverse fantasy?

3. Pakistan has had nukes for over 30 years and never used them. Neither Pakistan nor the Saudis are religious fundamentalists (and nor is Mike Pence) and the governments do not sponsor terrorism, individuals within their societies do but that's like blaming the US for the Irish troubles because dumb Americans in Boston gave money to terrorists. Both countries have been US allies for decades

4. Your last sentence makes no sense, what are you trying to say?

 

1) not kidding - nowhere was it stated that Iran wasn't a sponsor .. just that El Saud and US are far greater sponsors .. what part of that do you not understand ?
2) never heard of the war in Syria ? Which side were we on A) Assad - the side of the moderates B) Al Qaeda and ISIS

3) refer to 2 - and good that Pakistan has not used them .. Your claim that Pakistan and El Saud are not religious fundamentalists -- is patent nonsense on steroids. You have no clue what you are talking about.

4) The Islamists view US as a bigger infidel than India.

 

You're saying that now, while so far you haven't figured out how "in Pakistan - Pence is already President" can be interpreted in an other way.

 

1. Name me the terrorist groups the US and Saudis sponsor?

2. I am on the side of those who wish to overthrow Assad's tyranny and establish a democratic Syria.

3. No, the Saudis aren't, in fact they have creeping liberalisation as proven by the subject of this thread. The Pakistanis certainly aren't, they do whatever is in their best interest. This is a fallacy to substantiate your prejudice.

4. Yes but the US isn't on their borders and isn't in dispute with them about Kashmir.

 

You seem to be one of them ecstatic people looking the other way when their fellow right wingers join some nazi orgy on the streets yelling they won't stand that Jews are replacing white people. You got to be joking that you haven't notice how racism is so openly and alive in the US. That's one thing Trump caused. All them closed racists are out in the open today.

 

1)
US - Al Qaeda - ISIS - Islamist terrorist groups.

El Saud - almost every one that exists other than Hezbollah Hamas Kurds - how many would you like .. would 10 be enough ? The fact that there exists so many - yet you do not know of even one .. means you should not be discussing this topic.

Saudi Arabia is hands down .. the number one State Sponsor of Islamist terrorism on the Planet.

If we expand to all forms of terrorism - it is a competition between Saudi Arabia and the USA.

What part of this do you not understand ?

I will get to your other ridiculous questions later .. but first account for your complete lack of knowledge if these well known facts ?

Did you not know we have been accused by the ICC of complicity in war crimes and crimes against humanity in Yemen - where we are partnered with Al Qaeda and Brother El Saud.

Have you have you never heard of the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" - Submitted on the basis that we should stop arming Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria.

The war lasted for most of the last decade .. surely you have heard of the war in Syria and know the basics do you not?

On one side you had the Moderates --- Syrian Army/ Assad/Christians and a whole lot of Sunni's/ Hezbollah - and later Iran and Russia.

On the other side .. you had Al Qaeda and associated Spawn and other radical Islamist jihadist groups - all of the same Saudi Inspired Salafi Islamist ideology - These group were supported by a very large coalition of nations - led by General Obama.

Now while I do not fault folks in general for lack of understanding of the war in Syria- as this is the case for anyone who uses CNN - Fox - MSNBC - and western mainstream media in general as their only/main source of information - which do their best to parrot the State Sponsored Propaganda narritive of the day - I do fault you as being a member of this forum - you should know better.

 

I am not sure why you think Pence is President in Pakistan ?

 

1. Your reply is rambling, incoherent and in no way answers my question. Tell me what terrorist groups the US and Saudis sponsor?

2. But first account for your complete ignorance and tenuous grasp on reality and why you're trying to weasel your way out of this by suggesting that anyone who disagrees with you has been somehow misinformed?

3. Yeah, fighting the Houthis, Iranian proxies who want to give them the ability to cut off the Suez canal as well as the Straits of Hormuz and hold the world to ransom, the Houths whose motto is 'Allah is Greater, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse on the Jews, Victory to Islam' .

4. The West backs those who seek a free and democratic Syria against Assad's tyranny and Iran/Hamas' religious fundamentalism, that is what the West wants for both Yemen and Syria.

Oh believe me, I know better, we ALL know better than you, obviously.

 

Don't blame your inability to read on the incoherence of others. Did you not recognize Al Qaeda and ISIS as terrorist groups ?

If we are talking El Saud - I can list many more if you like but you seem to not be able to comprehend the 2 I already gave you so more would probably make your confusion worse.

Clearly you are the one who doesn't know but - this is no reason to project you failings onto others.

 

It's not the words, you simply place them in an order which makes no sense whatsoever? Yeah, I'm still waiting for you to link the US to ISIS and AQ, come on, pony up.

Yeah, list them, come on, put your money where your mouth is, what terrorist groups does the Saudi government sponsor?

I think we're all aware of who's failing here? Or should I say flailing? Come on, just admit you're wrong, it is apparent to everyone else.

 

I already linked US to Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria. We were allied with them in the war against Assad - We worked hard to arm, supply, and support Al Qaeda and ISIS in our proxy war against Assad.

I guess you didn't know that ISIS and Al Qaeda were our proxies in that war - but do try to educate yourself rather than throwing stones at others - blaming them for your failings.

 

You know what's funny? The (justified) burning hatred of the left for the far right of "blood and soil, Jews will not replace us" fame, versus the gushing love of the same left for the blatantly and openly antisemitic Hamas, Hezbollah, Iranian regime, Houthis.

The standard the left uses these days has nothing to do with racism, or oppression, or justice. Whoever is against the US, automatically becomes the leftists' best friend, while US allies are demonized.

Not talking about the center-left, of course, those who really care about people more than about principles.

The Saudis had, at first, sponsored ISIS (just after it split from al-Qaeda), together with other Arab states and Turkey, for a short while, until it became clear that ISIS' hegemonic ambitions included overthrowing the Saudi regime. Then the support turned into enmity.

The case @Giftedone is trying to make is based on a huge misunderstanding of the situation on the ground. The US supported the rebels, but some of those rebels sometimes joined radical Islamist movements, taking their American weapons with them. That's not "American support for terror organizations", just individuals switching to another side.

Some people seem to think that clean, even, nice wars are possible. Maybe in another Universe. The situation on the ground in the Middle East is complicated in the best of times; during war it becomes a foggy cesspool where everyone fights mostly for mere survival, lofty principles of armchair warriors an ocean away be damned.

 

You have no clue what you are talking about - but just for shits and giggles .. When did this split occur - at which point El Saud stopped supporting ISIS

Your statement "some of the rebels joined radical movements" proves you have no idea of what you speak.

In less than 2 years - the Rebels took near every city in Syria - sans Damascus and surrounding area. Name one of them that was held by "Moderates" - Non Islamists.

The fact of the matter is that the two major factions in the war were ISIS and Al Qaeda - and those of the same ilk - the same Saudi ideology.

So then .. when did this split happen - at what point in time did El Saud stop giving the rebels TOW missiles ?

 

I blame you for your failings, as I suspect everyone else does too. No you didn't, the US backed a number of rebel groups against the Assad tyranny, that does not mean it back AQ/ISIS, you just want to tar anyone who opposes Syria/Iran/Hamas with that brush. You see, if you actually knew what you were talking about you wouldn't spout this nonsense, would you?

 

No, they are legitimately disagreeing with you and pointing out the flaws in your viewpoint. And you can't stand that, can you? Yes, the rebels fought to overthrow Assad, the Islamists made common cause with them, just like we made common cause with Stalin in WW2. You just desperately want to equate anyone who wants to replace Assad/Iran/Hamas with ISIS/AQ but that is a lie, the West and Saudis want a free and democratic Syria, who could not?

 

But the US did back AQ and ISIS - and any other group they could find fighting Assad - "The problem" was that the only groups doing any serious fighting against Assad - were either AQ, ISIS (which eventually was led by Al Qaeda in Iraq - ISIS) - or Affiliates of the same ilk .. and there were many - Islamic Front being on of the major groups that lasted before being absorbed .. but this happened rather quickly .. and in fact the lines were drawn during the protest movement when the hardcore Islamists took over.

You are spouting spoon fed false narrative my friend .. "The Moderate Rebel Lie" - and everyone knows it - even Smokin Joe ...

So - a few demonstrable facts you need to get your head around.

1) there were no moderates of any significance in the beginning of armed conflict in late 2011. As Stated by the DIA - headed by none other than Flynn at the time .. who warned Obama - "many times" very early on in the conflict - in early 2012 according to declassified DIA documents.

For some strange reason - there were folks in our DIA that figured leading a massive coalition of nations to arm, support, and supply these radical Islamist groups - was a bad idea. And Everyone knew - early on Starts and Stripes had articles stating how this was not a moderate movement .. later on everyone reported on it including the NY-Times -

Odd thing though .. the Moderate Rebel lie did not come into full gear until late 2014 - years later - when the horrors of what we had created were already well known .. and we still continued to arm these scum.

A classic moment with Rand Paul on CNN to get you started .. get a feel for what we were up to around 2014 - after near every city in Syria had been turned into a strict sharia nightmare - dark age style .. thanks to Obama's efforts.

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2...-my-son-into-that-mess-on-the-crisis-in-iraq/


Here a DIA memo from early 2012 ..

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...12-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

There are other documents discussing - and in fact predicting - that an "Islamic State" would be created. - and this is just what happened.

in late 2013 - a new Islamic state was declared - Complete with Flag and everything - Mostly all the towns in Syria were now controlled by one or the other .. with a few affiliates in some locations ..

These were the folks fighting Assad - just different factions of the same Saudi Spawn - two main ones - Al Qaeda / ISIS


Same thing from the NY-Times who were reporting in early 2013 - before the Caliphate had even been declared - that there was no Moderates .. and the number of moderates did not become greater as time passed - they never much existed to begin with - and within a short time were "poof"

Those are our boys .. fighting for the freedom to force their radical extremist religious beliefs on others through Law - Physical violence.

but the moderates in Syria do not want this - so they fight for Assad. 50% of Assads regular are Sunni - and he has Christian Generals.

You been fed a whole pile of falsehood Lad.

but hey .. if you don't believe the DIA - NY-Times - Rand Paul .. how about Smokin Joe ! - answering questions after giving a talk at Harvard

https://mideastshuffle.com/2014/10/04/biden-turks-saudis-uae-funded-and-armed-al-nusra-and-al-qaeda/

The first part - True - no moderate Rebels -- this was in 2014.
Second part True - El Saud was doing exactly that.

Third part - "Sin of Omission" - and feigning ignorance - False -- but this is what folks are expected to do .. our involvement in the beginning was "Covert" - which was hilarious because the pundits had stated publicly that there was a covert program go arm the rebels.
So Joe is not being honest about our involvement at that time .. but this would soon be rectified. as later in 2014 - our covert support became Overt - and what a clown show that was.

At the time there is a new State - with an economy -Gov't - Police .. and of course Courts - Strict Sharia - Dark age Style - forced marriages - rape of course - genocide - war crimes - crimes against humanity - posted all over the internet .. never mind 500,000 dead , refugee crisis .. and so on

Yet we continued to support this movement - even after all this - The reason for the Mod Rebel Lie was because in 2014 ISIS went off the leash and went into Iraq .. causing the problem described by Paul .. on CNN's Sunday Morning program - State of the Union .. poor Candy Crowley is in Shock

Here we have a well known member of congress stating defacto that we are allied with ISIS and Al Qaeda

So no .. no moderate rebels .. that was the State Sponsored Propaganda Machine working you over.

 

Funny... you still haven't figured out what you otherwise meant with "in Pakistan - Pence is already President".
Taking over a week now. I guess I just put you on ignore since you're just backtracking it in such a humiliating way.

 

it is you that has yet to figure it out.. and try quoting more than 3 words next time - or is that all you can ingest in your cherry picked world.

 

There were never only 2 sides in Syria, the forces against Assad were many and not united, the 2 sides is a simplistic Good Vs. Evil story that's told by dictators, in the West most Gov's knew the mess that happened there.

 

Well it's 5 words, and you can't explain yourself. So I will take that you admit you can't prove your point.

 

Once again - lacking a coherent argument - you build a strawman of false accusation.

I did not ever cast this situation as a black vs white paradigm - or that there were only two sides in the forces against Assad.

Get now - and get something other than the false accusation strawman you love to build when you can't handle information put before you.

but hey - deceive others if you wish, but do stop deceiving self.