Saudi Arabia Is Scrubbing Hate Speech from School Books

Iranian fundamentalism is not nearly as extremist as your beloved El Saud version of Islam - that which is practiced in Pakistan by groups similar the Taliban.

 

I know what it is but that's a case of Pakistan having Islamic fundamentalists within its' borders and Iran being governed by them. Iran sponsors terrorism worldwide;
State Sponsored Terrorism in Iran (thoughtco.com)

The Saudi government does not sponsor Islamic terrorism worldwide, there is no equivalence.

You're not out of your depth in this one you're actually drowning.

 

No, you claimed the US sponsored AQ/ISIS, I proved they didn't and in fact sponsored the Syrian Democratic Forces who defeated them. And all your screeching won't alter the facts. Come on, just admit you were wrong.

 

As I pointed out the report was from 7 years ago and the NYT's coverage is untrustworthy to say the least by its' own admission. Joe Biden just wanted an excuse to do nothing.

 

Perhaps but they're not terrorist sponsors?

 

Saudi Arabia - including the Gov't - have been sponsoring Islamic terror groups for decades. Taliban - Al Qaeda - and now ISIS - along with numerous other groups that share the El Saud ideology.

Please name these groups world wide that Iran Sponsors - these "Shia" terror groups.

El Saud we have Taliban - Al Qaeda - ISIS- Islamic Front - and a hoard of others in Syria - the radical groups in the Ex Russian Stans - in India - Boko Haram and Al Shabaab in Africa .. the group Phillipeans and so on.

You have been misinformed.

 

ROFL -- you proved no such thing - Name one major city the SDF captured and was in charge of - You have yet to support any of your claims .. never mind prove them .. you have yet to show the existence of any significant moderate rebel force never mind show that they defeated ISIS/AQ - and the one's you tried to claim were moderate "Islamic Front" .. turned out to be radical Islamists who eventually went on to become ISIS .. you are completely lost.

You have yet to show what happened when Obama searched for "Moderates"

It is not just me who claimed the US armed and supported AQ/ISIS and affiliates - you have Rand Paul - Tulsi Gabbard - and 13 other Bipartisan in Congress .. Senator Richard Black - The DIA and so on.

So are all these people lying ? quite the big conspiracy you have made up !

Joe Biden says no moderates - is he lying ? Was Obama able to find any Moderates fighting Assad.. ? Please support your claim by showing what happened when Obama searched for Moderates .. in a desperate attempt to prop up the "Moderate Rebel Lie"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/19/us-weapons-to-syria-repeats-historical-mistake

Four or Five Moderates left in Sept 2015 - Where did they all go mate ? Where are your "Moderate Rebels"

NY-Times cant seem to find any in 2013

DIA cant find any in 2012 .. Where are the moderates Rob ? or are you confused - and think the Kurds were part of the Anti Assad forces being discussed ? Yeah .. that would be one source of your confusion for sure.






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You seem to love wiki - and have yet to post anything from a source other than that .. why don't you look it up in wiki.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism

The article goes on to talk about how Saudi Arabia has been working hard to spread its radical form of Islam throughout the world.

Iran does not even come close to El Saud in its support of international Terror .. doesn't come close to the US for that matter.

How you got so misinformed about this -- I do not know - your misinformation goes even beyond State Sponsored propaganda .. you almost sound like a shill for Saudi Arabia..

 

No they didn't, individuals within Saudi Arabia did. The Saudi government did not, not least because AQ keep trying to overthrow them?

Terrorism in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia

Sure, Hamas, Hezbollah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad...

State Sponsored Terrorism in Iran (thoughtco.com)

The Saudi Arabian government doesn't sponsor any terrorism, individuals in Saudi do, I don't think you've been misinformed, you just can't accept the truth.

 

Errrm, I just did, you obviously didn't read my post? As did the politician you named.

Obama just wanted a cowardly excuse not to intervene and he found it, times change!

Face it, the fallacy that there are no moderates in the struggle to replace the Assad dictatorship is only advocated by those who support the dictatorship or want to find an excuse not to do anything to usurp it.

 

No, you are swimming against the stream of reality, the Saudi government does not sponsor terrorism nor does the US, Iran does. I know exactly how you've become misinformed about all this, you don't want to believe the truth, it would contradict your grasp of reality. I have no illusions about the nature of Saudi Arabia (served there with NATO) but I know fine rightly that compared with the utter evil of Iran they are undoubtedly the good guys.

 

Quit posting links without posting content from those links - especially as when I go to these links that you posted and they don't say what you claim they do. What a friggen joke.

So you are saying that the 15 in Bipartisan in Congress that said this (linked previously) are lying.

So these 15 in congress just made up some big lie .

You are way out of your depth - and are in denial of reality .. so speak up Lad .. all of them are liars you claim ... in some grand conspiracy to do who know's what .. as they have nothing to gain by making up this lie .. and in fact - everything to lose.

I realize you are in love with El Saud - Islamist Jihadism and strict sharia theocracy- but, you clearly do not know your lover very well - as they are doing things behind your back ..

 

Truly laughable made up nonsense - proven false by the numerous links provided previously .. you providing ZERO to back up your claims - other than links that do not say what you claim they do. Pathetic.

So once again - you are claiming that the 15 in congress who stated this are lying.

Where do you figure the Al Qaeda and ISIS got all those TOW Missiles and other sophisticated technology from .. Santa Clause ?

 

These are links and they state exactly what is necessary to substantiate my points. I'm saying the US does not back terrorist groups, they supplied aid to the anti-Assad forces and some ended up in the hands of terrorist forces, this is not the same as the US sponsoring terrorist groups which oppose their countries very existence. You're trying to make this into a conspiracy where there is none. No one is in love with the house of Saud, they are just infinitely preferable to the Iranians.

This link clear enough for you?

How ISIS Got Weapons From the U.S. and Used Them to Take Iraq and Syria (newsweek.com)

 

I'm right, you know it and it's cuts you to the quick doesn't it? I've provided proof for all my assertions whilst you have desperately tried to twist the narrative to suit your fallacy in the face of the facts. AQ and ISIS took the US supplied weapons from the Iraqi Army and other Syrian moderates. The US backed the Syrian Democratic forces and it was they defeated ISIS/AQ;

Syrian Democratic Forces - Wikipedia

 

Dude .. what part of - "you need to quote what you think is important from your link" do you not understand ?

I can post a link as well.
How America Armed Terrorists In Syria
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/

Is that link clear enough for you ? What part of "We armed Terrorists" - do you not understand ? Something you have been denying - but clearly refuted by the title of the Article.

How ISIS got the weapons from the US does not contradict the above.

What you didn't do .. is address what the 15 Bipartisan in Congress that Claim El Saud was arming Al Qaeda/ISIS directly said. LYING or were they not LYING - and why are you avoiding this - is what you need be asking yourself.

Second .. you claim that arms given to "Anti Assad" forces - ended up in the hands of "Terrorist" forces.

This trots out one of the many State Sponsored Propaganda Narratives - so I am glad you brought it up - you can find this lie trotted out in numerous MSM publications - recited by the Pundits - Yada Yada Yada .. so, if this is the point you are trying to make from your link .. You could give 100 saying this same thing.

Now - I get that your world is going to turn upside down if you find out all these folks are lying to you - feeding you the Establishment Narrative du jour .. and you gulping it down and not realizing it.

My apologies for that .. but - this is the case here. Either that ... or - your world is turned upside down due to the list of people I have only started to list that contradict this lie.

My list starts with the 15 Bipartisan aforementioned in Congress .. who state directly that 1) we were involved in arming rebel factions Al Qaeda and ISIS - both directly and indirectly

and 2) El Saud was one of the main conduits

So where did those TOW Missiles come from - and hundreds of thousands of tons of sophisticated military hardware ? - if not as described in the link provided ?

Do you have any conception of how massive a project was undertaken ? The volumes of arms, supplies, and support - as the absurdity of this whole concept reveals itself as soon as one figures that out.

What part of "Moved all the stuff from the War in Yugoslavia over to Syria" - do you not understand ?

Please describe how a few desert tribes are going to pull that off - without aid from numerous Nation States ?

Then tell us .. Where thousands of Shipments of weapons went to - over more than 5 years - When all we can find is 5 active Moderate Rebels - when Obama goes looking in 2015 ?

The NY-Times can't find any moderates in 2013 - .. add them to the liar list - a good one because later the NYT contradicts its own reporting by adopting Establishment False Narrative - at least by "Sin of Omission" ..

The DIA can not find any Moderate factions in 2012 .. add them your list of Organizations who are Lying .. both to you ... and to the White House .. Giving Obama false information... and explain why the DIA might do this ?? and in what world this makes sense.

and let us not Forget the Vice President .. Smokin Joe .. who .. in 2014 can not find any Moderates.

https://mideastshuffle.com/2014/10/04/biden-turks-saudis-uae-funded-and-armed-al-nusra-and-al-qaeda/

Note that you are claiming Biden has lied to you Twice ... 1) No Moderates 2) El Saud was arming Al Qaeda/Al Nusra and the other extremist groups. The modern incarnation of ISIS did not yet exist in the first 2 years of the war.

So tell me who is lying here . Do you seriously think the DIA was lying to Obama when they told him there was no significant moderate fighting force in early 2012 .. shortly after armed insurgency broke out.

but OK - do tell .. I am listening .. explain all these folks lying .. .. you have yet to address even one - Start with the DIA - and the 15 Bipartisan in Congress .. who you claim are lying their faces off.

and how this is all whisked away by some Newsweek article reporting the State Sponsored false narrative of the day.. saying something akin to "The Pentagon reports that arms given to "moderate" rebels - were captured by Al Nusra"

All 100% True .. we tried to train a few moderate rebels - spending 500 Million -think we managed to get 70 Trained .. many who then gave their weapons to Al Qaeda as soon as they left training ... some of the others either captured or killed.

This exercise was a hilarious farce - purely for propaganda spin purposes.

 

Here is your Syrian Democratic Forces -

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/

The FSA was a conduit between Al Nusra and ISIS - both of which whom Jabbar al Oqaidi mention's as Brothers .. and you can watch film footage of him giving a rousing speech to ISIS fighters when they take over Menagh air force base.

The "Syrian National Council" is just a name which has no meaning - the units that fought under that banner were led by Al Nusra or other affiliates of the extremist kind .. unified in their battle to turn Syria into a Strict Sharia nightmare .. which is exactly what they did.

And after near all of Syria had been turn into that nightmare - under the Islamic State of ISIS or that of Al Qaeda - that's when the covert weapons program went Overt .. as in 2015 .. Assad was on the ropes. and it looked like the Islamic State might win .. then in late 2015 - Russia formally entered the war.. and gave the beat down to ISIS and Al Qaeda..

The Syrian Army was greeted as Liberators in every town they took back .. which was essentially every town in Syria but Raqqa .. as Raqqa was in the US controlled zone at that time .. thus protected from the Syrian Army by the US... Then .. when Russia/Iran/Syrian Army had wiped out the Islamic State everywhere else .. the US .. with the Kurds as a fighting force - took Raqqa.

Any questions ?

 

Here is your Syrian Democratic Forces Watch our Man in Syria tell how his fighters are Al Nusra - describing them as Brothers .. and then watch him give a rousing speech to ISIS - aka Syrian Democratic Forces - after they have taken the Menagh air force base https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Menagh_Air_Base

 

You're backing out, come on lets break this down to brass tacks, simple yes or no.

1. There are numerous factions fighting to depose Assad, the US is backing those who want a free and democratic Syria. The DIA and those folks in Congress weren't lying, they just said there was no significant moderates all the way back in 2012 but that rapidly changed.

2. Yeah, what part of the Newsweek article was untrue exactly? Sure, the AQ/ISIS obtained US weaponry but surely you don't believe the US deliberately gave it to them?

 

Yes, I've a question, why are you so devoted to defending a vile dictatorship? I'm sure folks who lived under ISIS did welcome Assad's forces, who wouldn't but the SDF are still the ultimate good guys whom we should all be backing, it was THEY who defeated ISIS, remember. SO tragic the Russians intervened in 2015, the moderates could have overthrown Assad and we could have a peaceful democratic Syria today.

 

Yes strange bedfellows but this isn't the SDF, it was the SDF who defeated ISIS, remember. We should back them with everything we have,

 

You are the one who is backtracking .. I have asked you more than 10 times Do you you think the 15 in congress are lying .. but you refuse to address this issue.

You didn't post anything from the newsweek article - which part of the article are you referring to ?

1) You have not been able to produce one moderate group of rebels of any significance ... You have produced Zero Major cities that were controlled by Moderates.

You did produce a link which discussed the "Free Syrian Army" and I showed you how this group has both Al Qaeda and ISIS factions showed you a video main General of the FSA - addressing his Troops as they took Menagh air force base - gave you a link to the battle.

The FSA fighters that "Our Man In Syria" is addressing in the Video - are ISIS - and they are not moderates - and we were not only allied with them in the war .. as stated by 15 members of congress in the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" and a gazillion others, we helped to arm, support and supply them via a large coalition of nations.

You are the one who in hardcore avoidance/denial mode here - so don't project your issues onto me.

 

There is no moderate "SDF" - As per Biden - the DIA -NY-Times - .. and Obama himself - unless you consider the 5 individuals to be a significant fighting force.

Assad is a scum bucket - never have I said otherwise - so you are very confused. I defend the Moderates in Syria which is Assad's army - the people living under Assad - and those poor folks living under ISIS/Al Nursra Rule that don't give a hoot about.

The people fighting for Assad do not like him either - but - they sure do not want the Islamist Jihadists running the country for reasons explained to you numerous times .. complete with links proving my claim.

You are the one who keeps trying to apologize for a disgusting position - ignoring all evidence to the contrary . You have been apologizing for pure evil .. trying to make Islamist Jihadist Scum - who want to turn Syria into a Strict Sharia nightmare .. who want a Theocracy not a Democracy - into Moderates.

Here are the folks that you claimed are moderates ..

https://williamvanwagenen.wordpress.com/2018/04/15/708/

 

Do provide one battle where the SDF defeats ISIS - and remember - the Kurds Don't Count - as they are not fighting Assad - not part of the group trying to overthrow the Assad Regime - and we refused to Arm the Kurds ( Folks I think we should have armed)

The SDF are dominated by the Kurds = not part of the Anti Assad forces .. and not the people folks we were arming with sophisticated military technology.

These are you moderate forces fighting the Assad Regime who we supported.

 

It is true that the Kurds won a few battles against ISIS - sometimes with the help of the US such as in Raqqa - but - we are not talking about the Kurds - as they were not part of the Anti Assad coalition of Islamist Jihadists.

It was Russia - The Syrian Army - and Iran who defeated ISIS /Al Nusra - and when that was done - the only remaining area under the control of ISIS was Raqqa - and this was in the US controlled area and so the Assad coalition was prevented from taking that city.

The groups we armed to combat Assad was not the Kurds - because the Kurds were not fighting Assad.. We refused to provide arms to the Kurds - so you trying to claim that the massive amounts of arms going into Syria facilitated by the US was going to the Kurds is preposterously false.


Here is one of your hero's - who was part of the Anti Assad forces that we did arm. -