Saudi Arabia Is Scrubbing Hate Speech from School Books

Quote at least a paragraph out of the post you are referring to - and you will have your explanation. Why are you engaging in repetitions silliness.. continuously circling back to your own vomit - ... stuff that had no merit back then - and was of little point or purpose other than to avoid the idea being presented.

Which is that Pence is a religious fundamentalist - and thus to the extreme - more likely to have apocalyptic perspective and been exposed to - and ingested some sophisticated thought altering religious dogma - down a path similar to Islamist fundamentalism.

Same as the leader in Pakistan .. who I referred to as the Pence of Pakistan for that reason. It was not suggested that Pence actually was the President of Pakistan. . Now go - and be well.

 

Oh you finally came up with what you meant. Good grieve....

As for the so for Pakistan having a so called religious fundamentalist as a leader "like Pence":
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT NOW? lol

The guy got an entire list of western girlfriends he had at one point.
He married numerous times, with numerous children from it,
while also fathered plenty of children out of wedlock.
The guy is a massive play boy.


I'm done discussing the total nonsense coming from you.

 

ohhh "deceiver" am I .....well then allow me to retort....
I replied only to your post that divide the war to the "moderates" which according to you was Assad inc. and the fanatics which were ISIS, Sauds, Israel and America ofc...
To that I say BS.
The war was long and it had many sides, we argued on this before.

 

Indeed the war had many sides - with the Kurds in the middle. This does not change the fact that the "Rebels" were radical Islamist Jihadists - led by Al Qaeda and ISIS - and a few others of the same Saudi inspired radical ilk - who wanted to turn "Secular" Syria into a strict sharia wonderland - and set up a new Islamic State - and that is exactly what they did .

How many Major cities in Syria were taken by these fake "Moderate Rebels" that you suggest existed ? Where was the "Moderate Front" at any during the war ?

We have discussed this previously - which is why you should know better.

Please show me these Moderate Rebels .. and Tell me why NY-Times and every other journalist covering this issue was reporting in early 2013 that there were no "moderates" - and the situation did not improve from there -

I wait for your list of cities taken and areas occupied by the "moderate" forces.

 

Facile flannel, you want to tar the anti-Assad rebels with the same brush so you can excuse his tyranny. The AQ/ISIS types were more successful because they were used to fighting guerrilla warfare for years previously. The US wants Assad gone and a free and democratic Syria, you know it, why do you resist it?

 

Really, from 7 years ago? That's your argument? Your argument is we shouldn't have backed resistance groups in WW2 because some were communists and indeed we had to fight them later.

Have a little look at the wide range of opponents to the Assad dictatorship;

Syrian opposition - Wikipedia

 

A complete falsehood - I have never excused Assad's Tyranny .. merely put it in perspective with other ME nations in the ME - perspective you are woefully lacking .. having previously run from the playground numerous times - calling names and spewing falsehood - prior to sticking head deep i the sandbox of denial.

It is a simple fact that the Anti Assad forces were not "Moderates" - as per Obama's" Moderate Rebel Lie" one which even Biden upheld as a Lie.

Sorry to burst your bubble Pal - but it is you who is trying to downplay - and apologize for - the evil deeds of Al Qaeda and ISIS .. then trying to project your failings on to others.

So tell us why you are so desperate to label Al Qaeda and ISIS - Taliban - and others of the same Saudi inspired ideological ilk "Moderates"

Tell us why you think the Islamic State that formed was "Moderate" - and why you are so desperate to apologize for the coalition of nations that was arming - supplying - and supporting these radical Islamist Jihadists for so many years - even after the evidence for war crimes and crimes against humanity was a mile high.

Why do you hate the founding principles so much - those relating to essential Liberty .. that you want to enslave other nations by imposing Strict Sharia - dark age style.

I normally spit in the general direction of such folks - but , will show restraint and give you a chance to explain the disgusting positions that you hold.

 

No one is saying the Islamic States are moderate but you seem to believe that because AQ/ISIS took advantage of the chaos caused by the war to seize areas that means anyone who opposes Assad is somehow an Islamic fundamentalist. The West and the moderate Syrian rebels (check out the list I provided you) want a free and democratic Syria, how can you oppose that?

 

What part of "There were no moderate Syrian Rebels" of any significance .. do you not understand ?

You didn't give a list -- all you did was post a wiki link - which is ridiculous nonsense on steroids. It talks about the beginning of the protest movement.. and gives no groups that actually existed as fighting force.

Was Joe Biden Lying in 2014 when he said there were no moderates in Syria.
Was the NY times lying in 2013 when they reported "No Moderates"

Name one city in Syria that was taken by this Moderate force you seem to think existed.

Here is your "Moderate Rebels"

 

Part two of your "Moderate Rebel Lie"
Syrian archbishop pleads for UK to stop backing anti-Assad Islamist groups

The rebels do not want democracy and freedom - they want "Theocracy and Strict Sharia" - Getting rid of secularism in Syria was the basis for the call to Holy Jihad .. upon which tens of thousands of foreign Jihadists started pouring into the nation - in hopes of setting up an Islamic State.

 

You are the one spewing nonsense - and who can't manage to understand context.

That the fundamentalists in Pakistan do now have control at the moment - does not mean they could not have control in the future - which is what makes them a greater risk for launching a nuke .. then say - N. Korea.

 

That's a HUGE what if, the Pakistani Army does what is in its' best self interest, Pakistan for all its' problems isn't turning into Iran any times soon.

 

Oh it's "off significance" now is it? Changing your tune? The Free Syrian Army, Syrian Turkmen and Syrian Islamic Liberation Front are all moderates, YOU just want to tar them with the same brush to keep Assad's dictatorship in power, Iran, China and Russia profess exactly the same thing. Biden believed what he wanted to believe so the US would have an excuse not to do anything and the NYT followed his lead (and are in the middle of a scandal over false reporting?);

New York Times Investigation Finds Fabrications in Caliphate (vulture.com)

Sure, Azaz, Afrin, Jarabulus...?

 

I don't blame the bishop for wanting to stop the suffering of his parishioners but he doesn't see the big picture and is limited to one area of Syria. Sure the Islamic fundamentalists have flooded into Syria to take advantage of the situation but this is not an Islamist plot, that's the same argument the Serbs put forwards to try to talk the West out of intervening in the former Yugoslavia.

 

How is it a huge "what if" - that a fundamentalist get power in Pakistan ? .. and what would be so bad about Pakistan turning into Iran - who is far more moderate in their religious ideology.

You just have no idea .. really - you are just wrong at every turn.

What's worse .. is you seem to have no ability to incorporate new information into your perspective and correct flaws.

 

Not changing tune at all - explain how I am changing tune from what to what ? You are confused as usual.

The FSA is composed of Al Nusra (Al Qaeda affiliate) - and ISIS

You are throwing out names of Groups as if you have some understanding of what those names mean - but you don't.

Azaz ? What about Azaz ? Which moderate Group captured Azaz ..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azaz

The Islamic Front is Al Qaeda is fully Islamist Extremist and eventually dissolved into either the Islamic State or Al Qaeda - Once again you have no understanding of what you are talking about - and you have little no understanding of what the definition of Moderate is.

I have explained to you numerous times that the call to Jihad was about getting rid of Secularism. Sharia Law is banned in Syria's constitution.

At this point - it matters not what the name of the Islamist Group is - as they are Islamist.

As stated previously - you are welcome to hate the founding principles - welcome to have no respect for essential liberty - I just do not share your perspective.

No idea why you put up the NYT link - as its false reporting has nothing to do with the topic other than confirm what I have already told you in previous posts.

The NYT did a complete 180 on its 2013 reporting " No Moderate rebels" -to fall in line behind Obama's "Moderate Rebel Lie".

So you are claiming Biden was lying as well when he stated in 2014 answering questions at Harvard that there was No Moderates among the fighting forces.

That the DIA in 2012 was lying when they told Obama that Sectarian insurgents were the driving forces.

Then - in the lamest of lame - you try to default to "Oh .. I found one Moderate " look .. they were not all radicals - as if someone has made such a black vs white argument ... as if this get's Obama off the hook even if true. (do tell us what happened when Obama searched for Moderates - so we can have a good laugh)

What a laugh - Even if we were to find some significant moderate force (something you have yet to do) - this does not change the fact that the side these "Moderates" are fighting for - is overwhelmingly not Moderate - and so by helping these "moderates" you are only helping the larger group.

You have net to find one small city controlled by moderates - never mind a major city as per your task. Never mind contrasted this with the size of the territory and force that was controlled by ISIS - Al Qaeda - and various affiliates.

What part of Obama led a massive coalition of nations to arm, support, supply the rebels do you not understand. Tens of thousands of tons of sophisticated weapons .. almost all of which ended up going to radical Islamist extremists - who then went on to found a new Islamic State.

 

It is you who continually denies reality and refuses to see the Big Picture. Find a Christian Bishop from Syria who agrees with your perspective.

And this has ZERO relationship to the war in Yugoslavia other than religious ideology was involved. What argument are you talking about in any case ?

You are talking out your backside at ever turn .. not backing up anything you say .. What argument are you referring to - and how does it bear on the fact that this was a Holy War - the objective of which was to create an Islamic State - get rid of Secularism.

 

Look who's talking! Aside from their conflict with India over Kashmir the Pakistanis are in the Western camp, sure they're an untrustworthy bunch but they do whatever is in their best interest and are not seeking to conquer their neighbours or export Islamic fundamentalism to the world.

 

No it's an entirely valid analogy, the Nazis always said they were saving Europe from Communism, the Commies always argued the reverse, the Serbs always said they were protecting Europe from Islamic fundamentalists but it was all moonshine as is your assertion, the West wants to create a free and democratic Syria and is backing rebels against Assad, not all of whom are choirboys I grant you but are preferable to Assad/Iran/Hamas. You just want an excuse to support the dictatorship/not intervene in the conflict.

 

So you admit you were wrong and there are moderates fighting Assad to create a democratic Syria? Of course AQ and ISIS were the more successful rebels they'd been fighting this sort of conflict for decades and had much more experience than the moderates rebels. But Obama/Trump stomped on them, virtually destroying them when the Syrian Democratic Forces defeated them;
Battle of Baghuz Fawqani - Wikipedia

 

You are completely out of your depth on this one. Pakistan is on of the main cradles of "Islamist" Fundamentalism .. and do figure out the difference por favor .. so that we might someday hope that you figure out what Islamic Fundamentalism is.

So tell me the difference between Iranian Fundamentalism and Salafi El Saud inspired Fundamentalism - and why the term "Islamist" matters.
Tell me the groups around the world that espouse "Iranian Fundamentalism" and the one's that espouse the El Saud version

and let the chips fall where they may..

 

What an absurd pile of made up nonsense. "West wants to create a free and democratic Syria" Talk about spoon fed Patriotic Platitude Land - Necessary Illusions on Steroids.

Do you feel better now - living in this made up fantasy .. Where arming supporting the worst kid of freedom hating Islamist scum - Al Qaeda, Al Nusra, Islamic Front, and others who later go on to create an Islamic State - commit massive war crimes and crimes against humanity .. is some how brining these people freedom.

;Your claim that the Islamic State created in Syria was preferable to Assad is preposterously false - 50% of Assad's regular army is Sunni - who fight for Assad .. because they do not want the radical "SUNNI" Islamists to win .. and turn all of Syria in to a Strict Sharia nightmare - dark age style. ..

Your thoughts are twisted - backwards - and confused. The rebels were not fighting to bring democracy to Syria .. The Rebels were fighting to bring "Theocracy" to Syria - and they did bring theocracy - to almost all of Syria - which was under their control. ..

What part of this well established fact .. do you not understand ? You have yet to come up with one major city run by the moderates - a few outposts in Turkish contested kurdland - do not count- that is a completely different battle - as you seem to have been confused the first time .. hope this clears that up.

So let us see where your monstrously absurd nonsense claim is at.

You are now claiming that the folks waking in the cities under ISIS rule - were happy about it .. enjoying life under the black flag of ISIS/Al Qaeda ..

This is sick.

 

I have never claimed there were no moderates .. but they were not a significant force. Just because you make up falsehoods and attribute them to me .. does not make those falsehoods true.

and quit posting links without pulling out the part you think is important .. the last link you posted - that I went through - turned out to be a complete joke . not supporting your position at all .. which is that somehow there was some significant moderate force .. such that we could legitimately support.

So far - you have not found a single example of such a force .. and you run hind tail from the question .. How did Obama do when he searched for them .. these so called "Moderates" that no one can seem to find .. because they do not exist .. according to Joe Biden.. and the NY-Times.

 

They never had control in the past and still got no control.
You're just fearmongering what never took place, like... what if Donald used the state of emergency to hawk the power till he dies and makes his kids to inherit his throne? Dude is unpredictable nuts. He assassinated 2 high end Iranians in an attempt to start a massive war in the ME, that could potentially have destroyed Israel completely.

And so you're just spewing more and more nonsense. You got zero context.
I'll be putting you on ignore.

 

Thank goodness -as you have no grasp of the situation. Donald is a man who is ruled by his appetites - not by a desire for martyrdom .. like the fundamentalists in Pakistan .. who - while do not have power now ..may get power in the future.

Now if we were talking Pence - this is a different story - as he is a fundamentalist who does have Martyrdom on the mind ...