Schapelle Corby

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  1. diligent

    diligent New Member

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    If she hadn't been so greedy and silly as to take illegal drugs into Indonesia, she wouldn't be in this predicament. She is an adult isn't she?

    I have no sympathy for drug pushers. They are the scum of the earth.
     
  2. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    You haven't even proven that she actually smuggled drugs.
     
  3. bambu

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    Not her drugs though, and she didn't put them in her bag, anyway the dice rolls when thrown.

    The culprits lie elsewhere.

    The doco "Schapelle Corby The Hidden Truth" showed all.

    Her first mistake was ever setting foot in Asia.
    Her marriage to the Japanese guy didn't work out when she went to live in Japan with him...and she found herself swimming in that nuke plant discharge into the sea, water.

    Then her horror trip to Bali Indonesia.

    The screaming at her on sentencing day by the judges with the fire eyes of hatred was my particular 'favourite'.

    "Boycott Bali" indeed:

    http://www.talkleft.com/story/2005/06/04/894/24263

    Indonesians March for Schapelle Corby to Die

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    Given that...

    and this:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ycxh52_9tU"]‪Indonesian Military Power‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

    Indonesian Military Power


    Yes, goose-stepping Indonesian military:



    350,000 active troops...80,000 reserves.

    Navy; 67,000 Marines: 12,000 Reserves: 10,000

    Air Force: 18,000 active 116 combat aircraft


    Why are we giving Indonesia one cent of our tax dollars, let alone $500million every 52 weeks, ...billions every few years?
     
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  4. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    Bambu, you notice how the Indonesians were demanding the death penalty for Schapelle before she was sentenced?

    Did the same people take to the streets and demand the death penalty for Abu Bakar Bashir, one of the masterminds of the Bali bombings? Nope. Of course not!!!

    Because in Indonesia, it is okay to murder innocent people by blowing them up, but its not okay to possess a little bit of pot!
     
  5. bambu

    bambu New Member

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    Yes, I see it, as do others;


    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fab7b2c6-b8fc-11e0-bd87-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1T9Ta5g4A


    Indonesian mob killings judgment condemned


    An Indonesian court has been accused of sending a “chilling message” by giving short jail sentences to a dozen men involved in a deadly mob attack on a religious sect.

    Human rights groups, western governments and relatives of three murdered members of the Ahmadiyah Muslim minority condemned the sentences of six months or less following one of Indonesia’s worst cases of religious violence in recent years.

    More than 1,000 men took part in the February attack in which they can be seen in a video marching on the home of a local leader of the Ahmadiyah, a sect considered heretical by mainstream Muslims because it does not believe that Mohammed was the last prophet.

    Cucu Sutiati, whose 34-year-old son Chandra was among those killed, broke down when she heard the court’s decision.

    “How can this be?” she wept. “They tortured and murdered him. They cut off his genitals; his ears. Six months is not justice. Now only God can punish them.”

    The lead suspect, who was filmed wielding a machete in front of the mob, received a five-month sentence. Eleven other defendants were sentenced to between three and six months.


    They were found guilty of charges ranging from illegal possession of weapons to assault and destruction of property. No one had been accused of murder.

    “The Cikeusik trial sends the chilling message that attacks on minorities like the Ahmadiyah will be treated lightly by the legal system,” said Elaine Pearson, deputy Asia director of Human Rights Watch, the New York-based group.

    “Indonesian authorities should be making all-out efforts to bring to justice those who kill people because of their religious beliefs.”


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    Should.

    Good luck!

    Yes, and hack the heads of Christian schoolgirls...and the sentence is 14-20 years.
    Stab Aussie girl Heidi Murphy dozens of times murdering her, in her Bali Villa, the sentence is 15 years.

    Be an Aussie kid caught attempting to smuggle drugs though, and it's a sentence of 20 years, life in prison, or death.
     
  6. garry17

    garry17 Well-Known Member

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    It does not matter? If there is no doubt why would someone need to test the drugs to tell them what they already know? another assumption on your part.
    I am not the only one who knows they where from Australia, her defence, The AFP, Indonesian customs and the Indonesian Authorities also know there origin. What am I afraid of? Nothing, apparently the world should spend copious amounts of money to prove something to you, that has nothing to do with you. I am afraid that people are so blind that they will try and invent things to try and justify a story made up by somebody else.
     
  7. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    So why don't you think there is a chance the drugs were planted in her bag? That is a possibility!
     
  8. garry17

    garry17 Well-Known Member

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    Anything is possible, but the evidence is condemning, nothing but speculation has been any defence, with absolutely no evidence. Her own actions actually provide more evidence of her guilt.
     
  9. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    I could say slip something into your bag before you leave a store, and if you were asked if the bag was yours, you would say yes, would you not?

    You could be jailed because I set you up. You need to see things from her point of view.
     
  10. garry17

    garry17 Well-Known Member

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    oh yes that is true, but I would not then change my story 4 times simply to find a story to get me out of trouble.

    I do not need to see from her point of view, you do not know her point of view, oh it does have bars in it.

    If you really are that passionate about this case perhaps you should spend more time examining ALL the evidence, and stop assuming things that are not actually true.
     
  11. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    I have examined all the evidence and there are way too many questions that should be answered. She is innocent.

    How do you know you wouldn't change your story?

    YOU: "Yes, that bag is mine' (bag is opened and item discovered)
    YOU: "Wait - that isn't mine!"

    SECURITY: ''But you just said the bag was yours''

    YOU: "The bag is mine, but the other bag isn't!"

    SECURITY: "Did you pack your own bag today, Sir?"

    YOU: "Yes I did".

    SECURITY: "Then how do you explain this item?"

    YOU: "I can't, but I didn't put it there!"


    Really? You going to wriggle out of that difficult situation?
     
  12. savage-republican

    savage-republican Well-Known Member

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    There is a program here in America called locked up abroad, a lot, maybe even most of the shows are about people who get caught trying to earn a few bucks smuggling drugs. While I have a distrust for court systems I do not know anything about, I think its a bit of a stretch to say shes innocent when you now have high priced lawyers looking into the case questioning ever little dotted i and crossed t. If everyone was given unlimited resources and unlimited time to defend themselves, I do not think you could convict anyone.
     
  13. garry17

    garry17 Well-Known Member

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    LOL, and you suggest this is the only scenario,

    According to you

    SCHAPELLE: this is my bag and I packed it,

    CUSTOMS: what is this?

    SCHAPELLE: Marijuana

    CUSTOMS: SO YOU PACKED THIS?

    SCHAPELLE: no I did not pack my bag, my brother did,

    CUSTOMS: so we should arrest your brother?

    SCHAPELLE: no, it was not him.

    CUSTOMS: did he pack the drugs.

    SCHAPELLE: NO he did not pack it, somebody else must have.

    etc etc etc

    Get over it, the only questions here are the ones YOU consider to be pertinent, questions that you raise and do not know the answer too. I have already shown you 4 questions you raise are purely false.

    Not only the fact she was caught red handed but her actions speak directly to her guilt.
     
  14. ian

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    Considering that the "baggage handler "theory is so ridiculous as to be completely implausible there is only 1 conclusion to be drawn, Corby must have known the drugs were in her bag because she checked it in. Corby admitted ownership of the bag. In my opinion its obvious that Corby was smuggling the hydroponic pot to another party in Bali to be onsold to tourists. Corbys sister lives in Bali and is married to a Balinese man. Members of Corbys close family including her sister have since been exposed as drug users and dealers and it has also been found out that Corby herself lied about not using drugs herself. The theory that she did not get a fair trial is incorrect, a number of legal experts in Australia have commented on the trial and agree that she most likely would have been convicted under the same circumstances should she have been tried under Australian law. The comparison to sentences handed out to terrorists in Indonesia is also irrrelevant, Corby did not get an excessive sentence under Indonesian law for this type of offence.
     
  15. bambu

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    The drugs were found in her bag...so she's 'guilty'.

    She's also innocent, as she didn't put them there.

    Unfortunately for her Indonesia was and is not interested in granting any favours Australia has asked nicely for...even though Indonesian President Yudhoyono announced jointy with former PM Howard in 2005 on the tarmac at Sydney airport..."Friends forever in the region" and "New era of cooperation and understanding".

    All shown to be hot air and hogwash so far.
     
  16. ian

    ian New Member

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    Yep.

    No shes not.

    Indonesia does not interfere in Australian judicial process neither does Indonesia expect Australia to corrupt the judicial process especially for Indonesian public sentiment. There is no reason anyone should expect the opposite to ocurr.

    I agree, your post is hot air and hogwash.
     
  17. bambu

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    Really!

    Remember the hissy fit Indonesia threw when those asylum-seekers from Papua arrived on our shores?

    http://www.safecom.org.au/merdeka.htm

    Raise the Flag and Cry Merdeka

    The first traditional Papuan boat - a canoe with outriggers - arrived on Australian shores this week from West Papua or Irian Jaya, as Indonesia has called it since 1962.


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    Indonesia went 'beserk'.


    http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/news/releases/060411_West_Papua.pdf

    The Refugee Council of Australia has serious concerns that as a result of the current hasty review of Australia’s refugee protection obligations the last of the West Papuan asylum seekers could be returned to Indonesia to meet Indonesian objections to the grant of protection visas to the other 42.


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    http://www.insideindonesia.org/stories/of-fishers-and-men-20031438

    Of fishers and men

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    http://www.theage.com.au/national/gillard-criticised-for-wrist-xrays-20110627-1gneq.html

    Gillard criticised for wrist X-rays


    TWO of Australia's child commissioners have backed criticism of the Gillard government's use of wrist X-rays to determine the ages of Indonesian crew members of asylum seeker boats. Crew members face five years' mandatory jail sentences under harsh people smuggling laws.

    Victoria's Bernie Geary and Queensland's Elizabeth Fraser called for the appointment of a national child commissioner to help protect the rights of children facing long jail sentences in adult jails.

    They made the call after Sir Al Aynsley-Green, Britain's founding children's commissioner, told The Age that using X-rays to assess more than 60 Indonesians in custody who claimed to be under 18 was ''unethical, inaccurate, not fit for purpose proposed and potentially unlawful''.


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    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...oncern-indonesia/story-fn59niix-1226073973982

    A HIGH-LEVEL Indonesian government delegation is set to raise its concerns over the treatment of Indonesian crew charged with people-smuggling in Australia.
     
  18. ian

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    Theres nothing in your post to indicate that the Indonesian government has interfered in the Australian judicial process. I am correct, you are wrong. Fail.
     
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    Oh yes there is!

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...-1226073973982

    A HIGH-LEVEL Indonesian government delegation is set to raise its concerns over the treatment of Indonesian crew charged with people-smuggling in Australia.

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    Straight out 'interference'...the same thing they tells us when we protest to them about the [death]sentences for our People.

    They tell us to get lost, "butt out":

    http://www.news.com.au/features/butt-out-on-death-penalty/story-e6frfl3i-1111114286388

    'Butt out on death penalty'


    THE judges hearing the Bali Nine trials have warned Australians not to interfere in Indonesia's right to impose capital punishment, insisting they would not allow their independence to be compromised.

    They said today that any attempt to influence their handling of the heroin trafficking cases would yield the same result as in Singapore with the drugs case of executed man Van Tuong Nguyen: defiance.

    "Criticism from outside is expected, but Indonesian courts will only adhere to the laws applied in this country, and that includes the death penalty," Denpasar District Court judge and spokesman I Wayan Yasa Abadhi said.


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    Yes, and we should be telling Indonesia exactly the same thing, including its high-level delegation.

    We should be telling Indonesia that TWO can play the defiance game ...and that if they don't release Schapelle Corby soon and take Chan and Sukumaran off death row, we'll cross them off our Christmas card list forever ...and put our cheque book away.
     
  20. ian

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    Nonsense, youre in way over your head here. Judicial processThe rules which determine the role of judge and jury in the courtroom as well as the jurisdiction of the individual courts over specific areas
    I would expect anyone to at least understand basic definitions of words and phrases before they start to argue about them, it appears Im expecting too much from you.
     
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    Anyone with an ounce of 'you know what' knows that she did. Stop trying to protect, extremely selfish and pathetic drug pusher.

    All drug pushers have blood on their hands!
     
  22. bambu

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    And must be punished.

    It's some of the punishments, of which there is a range, that many People object to...given that drug users only have themselves to blame for buying illegal drugs and using them.
     
  23. ian

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    I think we could be mistaken if your agenda seems otherwise, considering the amount of deliberate misinformation you have posted in this thread in an obvious attempt at obsfucation of the facts and demonisation of the the Indonesian government, its citizens and its judicial process in favour of a convicted drug smuggler. The facts are that anyone who travels to a foreign country where the strict laws and penalties against drug trafficking are well known and deliberately traffics drugs into that country deserves little sympathy. Despite which this particular criminal got off lightly, in Singapore or Malaysia the sentence would undoubtedly have been death.
    http://goseasia.about.com/od/travelplanning/a/seasia_drugs.htm
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    She wasn't proven guilty beyond any reasonable doubt.
     
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