Sheriff Arpaio revives birther controversy at Trump rally

Wait a minute.....
Was this always about the correct application of the 14th?

If so, why was trump sending investigators to Hawaii?
What did they find?

No investigator was required to figure out obamas father
Or to understand the text of the 14th

So can we at least agree
Obama was born in hawaii
His mother an american citizen and his father an african

Given these facts
It should be simple enough to mount a court challenge based on the 14th

 

No it doesn't.

no. virtually every state has gone to the "short form" when issueing BC's.

You can't request a copy of someone elses BC in California

 

Those dang Hawaiians
They think they know their law better than the people on this forum
Time to take hawaii back

 

Which federal law? Specifically?

Birth certificates in the United States are a State function- the federal government can refuse to accept a state's birth certificates as valid, but has no jurisdiction over birth certificates.

Of course all states will provide certified copies of birth certificates upon request to persons with the legal standing to request the birth certificates.

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You would think that the Attorney General's office in Hawaii would know the law.....

...Joshua Wisch, a spokesman for the Hawaii attorney general's office, noted that a public index of vital records, available for inspection in a bound volume at the Health Department's Office of Health Status Monitoring, lists a male child named "Obama II, Barack Hussein" as having been born in the state.
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But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general's office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of "vital records," including an original "record of live birth" — even to the individual whose birth it records. "It's a Department of Health record and it can't be released to anybody," he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.

But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer generated "certification of live birth" form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.

 

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/certlic/birthdeathmar/Documents/Birth-2015.pdf

Only an interested party can obtain a copy of a birth certificate in California.

For instance- if you wanted a copy of my birth certificate- you would have to break the law in order to obtain it.

 

All Wong Kim Ark vs. US settled was that both of Kim's parents at the time of his birth were in the country legally and no where in the court's opinion is "natural born citizenship" is mentioned. All the opinion says, Kim is a citizen.

 

you need to actually read the opinion...........

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/169/649

 

OMFG !!!!

Under common law, Valerie Jarrett owes her allegiance to Iran.

Well that explains every thing now with Obama giving Iran every thing they wanted.

How in hell did Obama's #1 adviser ever get a security clearance ??? I suppose the FBI didn't want to be labeled being racist.

 

Sigh.

Perhaps you are more familiar with Iranian law than I am......well I guess you must be to make that declaration.

Valerie Jarett is a natural born American citizen- just like Ted Cruz is- both being born in a foreign country with at least one American parent.

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Why wouldn't she?

Do you think Ted Cruz should be denied security clearances because he was born in Canada?

 

Members from other nations can receive US security clearances through various channels that align with the NISPOM. That was actually in my line of work. Happy to answer questions about how that process is handled.

 

U.S. law trumps all laws even common law and natural law, so some say.

BTW & FYI: Valerie Jarrett is a commie.

 

huh?

but he didn't do that, so I have no idea what iran has to do with this thread?

you didn't contradict a single thing I posted with any of this nonsense.

 

That's just what I was about to ask you ArmySoldier before you posted, are you with the PMO ?

My first security clearance was when I was in the Marine Corps in 1969 and it was conducted by the FBI. Another one when I was an instructor at the Coronado NAB. But my last security clearance was done by the PMO. And have been interviewed by the PMO when other people I personally know were going through the process of a back ground check for a security clearance including military.

 

You mean OPM? Office of Personnel Management now conducts them with the help of subcontractors. Interim clearances may be granted at a higher level (above SECRET) if one already possesses a clearance before the newest investigation is complete. OPM follows the FBI's former SOP of investigation and lifestyle checks.

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Sorry forgot to answer your first question. No, I was a government contractor and worked in Industrial Security (protection of classified information).

 

That's because this thread just brought out the Obama defender trolls.

You are happy as a clam that Sheriff Arpaio revived birther controversy.



On August 4th, 1961 while Ann Dunham was walking along the Wakiiki Beach with her black African Marxist boyfriend, what they thought was a baby seal that just washed up on shore was really a little black baby.

Dunham sexual partner, Comrade Barrack Obama Sr. wanted to eat the little baby for dinner since Barack was from Kenya and that's what they do, cannibalism they call it.

But Ann said no way Barack, he's black not white, I want to keep him and raise him to become a commie.

So a few days later Ann showed up at the Hawaii's Department of Health and got little Barrack a short form certificate of birth.

The rest is history or maybe revisionist history.

 

Sure- is there any reason why an American citizen born in Iran or Canada would be denied security clearances based upon the foreign country that they were born in?

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As much as Donald Trump is.

 

That is probably the best Birther fiction ever.

 

I stand corrected POM, PMO would be the Provost Marshals Office.

From what I remember, I think they were POM agents or investigators. I remember they had a badges and they worked out of an office in La Jolla, California that's just just west of the Miarmar NAS today the MCAS Miarmar.

So many government jobs today are sub contracted out. Civilians working in military mess halls to civilian contractors providing porta potties for out troops in Afghanistan because they no longer teach our troops how to use an entrenching tool to dig a slit trench to take a dump in. Well actually it was the Air Force who didn't know how to dig slit trenches.

 

well, showing how stupid birthers are isn't really trolling.

of course I am. Making fun of idiot birthers, like trump and apraio is much fun.

a shining example of what birtherism really is. good old fashioned racism.

 

It's well known that Ann Dunham just wasn't a communist sympathizer but also despised white males.

 

well known? lol

 

Interesting, I'm young so I didn't know how they used to be conducted. I'm used to the OPM double scopes.

Etools are great for ditches, but even better for cutting grass

 

Yes, many factors. If the investigating body cannot contact all necessary members of the family, friends, and any other needed associates in order to complete the investigation, clearance is denied. Iran is tough because their government won't cooperate with us all the time for their citizens. Depends on the need though- IE: translators who serve overseas and become US citizens.

Say a man from China wants a clearance. If the US government cannot interview everyone they need to complete the investigation, they will not receive one even if they gain US citizenship legally.

 

Here's a question, just recently the Obama administration started using the term "vetted."

The first time I ever heard of the term was in the late 60's or early 70 around the horse stables at the race track, it's a horse racing term in America.

Never in my life time have I ever heard the term "vetted" being used in replace of background check, except in the UK.

When Obama wants to bring a 1/4 of million Muslim refugees to America the term "vetted" was used by the Obama administration. In your job do you remember the word "vetted" being used in replace of back ground check ?

Is the federal government going to treat everyone like horses when going through a security background check ?

Foreign governments in the past have used the term "vetted" but until just recently it's the first time I've heard the U.S. government using the term.

 

Thanks- but merely being born in another country is not a reason to deny a security clearance- right?