This thread interested me because I had an opinion. I've now shared that opinion. One-sided conversations in which I'm interrogated over my opinions are less interesting. As picking my brain could take quite some time, and I have no intention of dedicating time to anything that doesn't interest me, I wish you a 'good day'.
The stupid thing about the Marijuana question is the fact that there is no good reason for it to have been made illegal in the first place. Take away a few of the obviously stupid reasons and one is not left with much. One of the really dumb reasons is as follows. 1) I know it is no more dangerous than Alcohol but why make another bad thing legal. Answer: All kinds of things are dangerous .. Skiing, Boating and driving a car are dangerous. If we were to make laws simply on the basis of "its dangerous" ... life would not be much fun. If we are to have a legal system based on reason then we need "good reasons" for allowing the state to tell us what we can and can not do. The fact of the matter is that the simple "its dangerous" is obviously not sufficient. The question then becomes how dangerous. Heroin is clearly extremely dangerous. Pot ? No more so than various other activities which are legal. Keeping it illegal makes hypocrisy of our legal system. That is the primary reason why it should be made legal. Other reasons are numerous. Stop funding criminal gangs, stop wasting billions chasing pot smokers, increased taxation, freedom and so on.
Apart from any other reason, encouraging people to learn how to grow and cultivate plants is a good thing. So yes, I'd support your right to grow plants. For personal use, gifting on birthdays etc. If you want to publicly sell what you grow, then there may be some standards of quality you are expected to meet which bring in other regulatory considerations.
Yeah, I can support that. Legal cultivation for personal use is the minimum I'll agree to. Laws against sale can then be circumvented fairly easily. More easily than in the current system, at least. Long term I would like widespread black market sale, but as long as I can grow it for myself, I'm satisfied. My biggest fear is it'll become a corporate product, heavily regulated by the state, like tobacco. Very few people grow tobacco for personal use.
Assuming not everyone will grow it for themselves there should be a reliable mechanism for trade and recourse for product not fit for purpose. How would this not be possible without some form of administrative input? I understand your concerns about big business or big pharma getting their commercialism into the trade though.
To my knowledge, pesons can make beer at home but not distilled alcohol. People can also grow plants in their yards. I believe it is one reason we have delegated our elected representatives the social Power to fix Standards.
Distilling spirits is legal in several places, but not where I live - although all the equipment is. That's good enough for me. Haven't tried yet, but I'm considering it. It will never be completely legal to grow and sell cannabis without some sort of state interference in your affairs, but legal personal cultivation is good enough because then I can at least opt out for myself from all taxation and regulation, if I put in a little bit of effort. Plus, voluntary illicit trade is a lot easier when you're trading a grey market good than a black market one.
I find it strange that few even mention the fundamental issue here in regards to pot. I brought it up, but it seems the little conditioned box most of us live in prohibits freedom of thought, and I see many slaves here to the social conditioning. The issue here for me is a very fundamental one. Do the each of us own our bodies and our consciousness? Or is that, the only thing that we actually have in reality, owned by another person, or a group of persons? This nation was founded upon this most basic right, the most basic god given right, that you do not own me. Now, we must have social order, and social disorder arises when I extend my freedom to the point that it actually hurts another person. So we draw those lines, or used to, at the point that our actions hurt another. So we cannot murder another person, we cannot steal what they worked for, and so on. We lived much of our history here in America consuming whatever the heck we wanted to. Heroin was in over the counter meds, so was cocaine and pot, and no one was imprisoned for using these meds. And guess what? While we had many females who were doing the meds for it was not kosher for women to drink like drunken men, society didn't implode. America didn't sink, we just had people who were actually addicts, but since families were not broken apart by these users going to jail, the damage was local and not that great at all. Now we allowed this because we had a different idea of freedom, and we owned our own bodies. But that changed. Here comes the men who want to have control even over each person's consciousness and body. They felt like they had the right to own you, and therefore they could dictate what you could consume, and what you could not, punishable by imprisonment. I say, and logic says, that if we do not have the most basic right of owning our own selves, then any freedom without this one is a sham, an illusion, a con game. And only a fascist at heart believes in imprisoning a man for what he eats, smokes or drinks. And these men are the greatest danger to liberty and freedom, and do not know, through their ignorance, what it actually means.
I believe it should not be more difficult to become "licensed" to distill alcohol than to get a class III weapons permit.
You may create distilled alcohol, you may not sell it. It's a tax thing they have a problem with, not making it for personal use.
To remain in tune with the war against personal freedom, the war on drugs, perhaps we should make all sugar illegal as well, and fast food. For it contributes to more deaths each year than pot. It is a social disease, these sugars, these fried foods, and obviously is addicting as well. Why don't we also wage a war on exploitation, and lock up all rich people in federal prisons, given the human destruction they gleefully indulge in?
Even though it's easier for a minor to get Marijuana currently, than it is to get alcohol. - - - Updated - - - Although Hemp concrete does get harder with time so it is an excellent building material. It's very similar to Roman era concrete which still baffles architects today.
You actually think sugar is more harmful than pot? You're clearly under the influence of something, maybe not just pot.
Why would anyone say that? I believe gay marriage should be legal but I'm not gay. Is it hard for you to comprehend such things.
Because, some on the left believe we should require wartime tax rates to delegate wartime powers to our elected representatives.
Why would anyone say that? They say it because they are victims of being conditioned by propaganda, and then lack the ability to be objective, and the ability to actually see conditioning for what it is, which is programming. The people that fall back into such a lazy, non thinking position generally also fall for ideologies, left and right. Which all non thinking people are subject to. I saw the same thing when I was in bootcamp, in the late 60s, and refused to go a bar inhabited by gays in Milwaukee on a weekend pass, to beat the crap out of queers. Since I would not do that, some jerk automatically came to the conclusion that I must be a raging homosexual. Which has never been the case with me. So, this is what is going on with these guys that accuse us of being dopers, when we believe that if people don't own their own bodies, freedom doesn't actually exist, for the most basic human freedom has been taken away by what real deal genuine tyrants who demand to control other people, even to the point of owning their persons. Yet these guys also speak highly of freedom? LOL.. Clearly these tyrants don't have real intelligence, although some of them have degrees from universities. Which says much about education, or rather indoctrination and conditioning.
what a coincidence; sometimes i believe the right doesn't really believe in capitalism unless the least wealthy are denied and disparaged in some manner.
I don't understand you. You are basically agreeing with what I said but you stated BS to my original post.
It's impossible for even ONE person to not smoke weed and support legalization at the same time, let alone 62 of them.
