Should schools teach students how not to be killed by police?

But you are Catholic, right? Or Welsh.

 

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Er no mate. I'm neither. What's your nationality, ethnicity and religion and why do you ask?

 

Let me give you an example of what I am talking about.
If your child borrows your car with out your permission and is stopped by the police, or has an accident even, what should he tell the police?
A) The truth.
He stole your car.
B) A lie. He had your permission.

A) gets him a lifetime driving ban and a jail sentence.
B) gets him nothing, if you reinforce his lie.

What would your parents do? Get you prosecuted or lie to the police?
We teach our kids to lie to the police.

Perfectly normal behaviour. We lie to them ourselves and we wish our kids to be police savvy too.

 

I was only making a joke about dishonesty and Catholics. I should have put a funny face on the post. Sorry.

 

I've told my child to say NOTHING to the police that might in any way be used against him without an attorney. Really, he has a card with his name and address on it which says either I or a certain attorney must be called by the police and his permission obtained before this child can be questioned for ANY reason. As of last year his glasses frames are Google glasses, anything he sees is being unobtrusively recorded

Children should be trained in how to deal with police, yes. Indeed, they should be trained in how to deal with anyone they meet, that is part of the purpose of education, is it not?

 

It is mate, but I would prefer it if my police could be trusted with my children (And indeed myself)..
I would prefer it if the rules weren't stupid or rigidly enforced, or able to be rigidly enforced by fools or *********s. I certainly would not give these people guns. Not ever.

I would prefer to live in a culture where authority figures are respected. I don't know if that is possible.
I think in some Asian societies it is. But I may be wrong.

Is it too much to ask that a policeman is mindful of children?
Everybody else has to be.

If a policeman shoots a child, kill him and disarm his mates.

 

No worries mate. I'm no fan of Catholics.
The point I'm trying to make here is that dishonesty to the police is a social norm.

 

I have mixed feelings about it but lying to the police over here is generally the default response. I lived several years in the US where you can be guilty of something "with an explanation". This means you can admit guilt but claim it was beyond your control or that your judgement was impaired at the moment you did it, thus getting off with a lesser punishment or none at all. Over here, if you are guilty, you are GUILTY, no plea for leniency unless the judge sees fit on his/her own initiative. So yes .... lying is a good idea and I do not think you are awarded any demerits if later it is proved you lied. Odd, isn't it. You may ask for a re-trial by the next higher court but you pretty much have to remain silent while the initial trial is simply played back on film. You don't really get to say much at all. Just answer their questions and sit there like a stump.
BTW, I've seen Judge Judy and Judge Rinder ..... unbelievable!

 

If parents can't teach them and they live where they will be constantly associated with bad influence, if they don't regularly attend some sort of character building assemblies with others, like religious education, the boy scouts, etc., it's possible they will not learn at school or anywhere without extra influence outside of school.

 

Just goes to prove: sometimes life's a bitch.

 

For the most part people just need to learn to follow orders and they should be fine. That said, the police do need better or more frequent training on handling a situation. I have seen enough videos showing police giving rapid instructions and in some case contradictory to the instructions they just gave, which is confusing for anyone.

That's not to say there are bad police officers either. They are human and some human are bad people.

 

Here in St Paul Minnesota, Philando Castile and Justine Damond were both killed by cops even though neither of them committed a crime. You can continue to educate people like them all you want but it won't do a damn bit of good if these stupid cops are allowed to keep killing people with impunity.

Just disarm the cops and the problem will be solved.

 

We sleep guns within reach. If the cops are disarmed we'll have to sleep with an eye open, guns in hand, and get bigger dogs for sentries.

 

In no particular order (in this country):

1. Following police "orders" is no guarantee you will survive a confrontation with police, especially (but not necessarily) if you're the "wrong" color or ethnic background.
2. Never, ever tell the police anything, period. If you do, you are automatically waiving your rights protected by the Bill of Rights and can be charged with lying to the police (in some states).
3. Try to record any police confrontation (at your own risk).
4. The police have carte blanche powers to lie to you, according to relatively recent SCOTUS decisions. Never, ever believe anything they tell you.
5. The police do NOT have a duty to protect you, also according to relatively recent SCOTUS decisions.
6. The police have been empowered to search despite the 4th Amendment if they simply claim they (or their dogs) "smelled" marijuana or on suspicion of exigent circumstances. Also according to relatively recent SCOTUS decisions.
7. The police have been empowered by SCOTUS to murder your dog if the dog barks or moves.
8. Also according to relatively recent SCOTUS decisions, they have established a "Constitution free zone" within 100 miles of US borders, which of course encompasses the vast majority of the US population.
9. Know your rights, if you don't know them, you have none.

Just some tidbits you should be aware of. Welcome to Amerika, land of the "free".

 

And my black students would have to be taught never to run at night to catch a bus if you are behind white people. I didn’t have to teach my kids that. Parents would have to teach the children to expect to be followed around in stores. I didn’t have to teach my children that
I also dislike when people say parents should teach your children to behave. I never met a parent to encouraged a kid to misbehave

 

Give jobs to everybody, de-criminalize drugs, and keep watch dogs - that will drastically reduce crimes. Besides, the 2d Amendment gives you the right to keep guns. Nothing in the Constitution gives cops the right to kill anyone.

 

State law gives me the absolute right to kill anyone who breaks into my castle.

 

I think you anti cop people are just using scare tactics and a very minority of incidents to promote your hatred. If you do a little research you will find that out of all the confrontations with police there is a very small percentage ending in death for any reason.

 

Maybe so, but when did a cop shoot a child in my country? Answer: Never.
Any one here suggesting we should teach our children how not to be killed by police? No.

So is your small percentage < or > 0%?
Set your bar as high or low as you wish it to be.

 

Absolutely. Part of this involves social skills and common decency, which is quite useful for people in general.

 

I put it to you that if a policeman is worried that child might shoot him, he should let the child shoot first.

I don't see why our own children should be treated any worse than our enemies in war? What do they call it? Heroic restraint.

If you are not a hero, you are not welcome in the police force. Put yourself in harms way first, or **** off.

Shoot some child with a toy gun? Lynch that ****er. Disarm his mates who didn't shoot him for pointing a gun at a child. They obviously have no use for their weapons.

 

These are just SOME of the ones that have been documented. Many (the vast majority) are not documented because police often destroy or suppress evidence of their crimes or the police decide for themselves what constitutes police brutality (the fox watching the hen house):

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=police+brutality

I have no idea what your version of "very minority" is but reality tells a very different story.

https://vittana.org/42-shocking-police-brutality-statistics

 

A parent who loves their child will teach them who has the authority and how to interact with police, besides teaching them how to avoid troubles.

 

Schools really ought to stick to Reading, writing, arithmetic, and computors. Parents responsibilities encompasses everything else.

 

In other words, teach them to always mindlessly bend over to authority? If the founders were taught that, the US would still be under UK rule. Are you an American?