Should schools teach students how not to be killed by police?

Should schools teach this? No. But they should once again teach Civics and how to be a responsible human being. We have deficits in both of those areas. As well as deficits in basic morality. The deficits of these things is expressed in this society. We are hardly cultured in its classic sense, but quite the contrary. A base, vulgar society is not cultured in any sense.

 

To mindlessly bend to an authority which is simply immoral and wrong is what the good germans of the 1930s did. Yet this is exactly where we find ourselves in today's america. And that is why our public schools need to once again teach Civics, a basic morality and what it means to be a responsible human being. That this is missing from a basic education is evident.

 

The problem is whose morality? Schools will tell you they are teaching morality. However since most schools are federally funded they're teaching US government "morality", better known as exceptionalism.

 

No. No lessons in how to be a good little fascist. Good little Stalinist.

That's how the Germans and the Soviets did it too.

Do not send your children to state schools. Because lefties want to program them. Send them independent. Let their minds grow free.
Civics my arse. And while we are at it, no more flag worshiping in the classroom.
F'in wannabe Nazi's.

 

Oh, basic morality, do to others what you want them to do to you. That is basic morality. I got it from this fellow who is called Jesus. Who was supposed to be God in a human body. But regardless, if one lived in such a manner we would see goodness flourish. And so little disorder and chaos in human societies. Wonder why so few want to live in such a manner? Do we love disorder and chaos? Looks like it. I think we live by the maxim, of "fu*k others before they can f**k you" And got caught in that trap.

 

So what's wrong with other people getting it from Jesus too?

Why go Nazi about it? So you feel that other people aren't having the same opportunity to learn morals as you did?
Or do you just feel that you are superior in your ability to work it out. And hence better equipped to take those decisions for others?
Not a good look mate, fascism. Not a good look.

 

While police shootings is a problem you are very unlikely to be shot by the police and nearly everyone who was, was resisting arrest in some way.

 

And that is reason to shoot them?

Some vague perception of resistence and it's OK to shoot them without trial?

Bullshit. If someone is shooting at a policemen or otherwise killing people then fine. Otherwise it's just murder by cop.

 

Had nothing to do with flag worshipping when I took Civics. What it did do was to inform us how this gov't is supposed to work, the responsibilities of the citizen, but also the representative we elected to represent us, and the structure of our gov't.

BTW, if public schools taught basic morality, and being responsible people, that would negate this faux liberal education you speak of. lol Of course, the right side would love to indoctrinate too, just like the libs do. In right wing ideology. I have no doubt about that. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you is not lib nor con, and neither is being a responsible human being.

 

Well if it's your intention to raise a non fascist society, to avoid the mistakes of 1930's Germany, I think it's only fair to say that you are mirroring their methods not creating the antithesis of them.
Now you know.

 

LOL. Oh rubbish. Just because I refuse to be a modern fake liberal, but am rooted in the older liberalism and progressivism does not make me in any form a fascist. You just have a case of cognitive dissonance. You find this affection in most fake liberals. I will not buy into what I perceive as post modernism, which is a pox on your side.

Got news for you, not being a fake liberal does not mean that one is a nazi. That is a knee jerk, and one devoid of critical thought. Your world is so...bipolar. But that does not reflect reality.

 

Mate, what are discussing is brain washing kids with your morality and civic ideals in a state run educational facility. Raising them all to the same nationalised standard of obedience to your beliefs..
That is how the nazi's and the commies did it too.

I'm not interested in how you label yourself.
That's how it's done, that is what you are proposing, so you will get that label if you earn it.

Try and rebrand yourself any way you like. That brand has a name that we all know too well.

It's not personal I'm sure you just hadn't thought about it before you said it.
I'm sure you are not about to open gulags or kill all the jews.
But now you know what fascism is and how it works. Do you still wish to emulate it?

I don't think you do . I think you are wanting to do the exact opposite. Just as they themselves were I expect. The path of good intentions etc.

 

Correct! And that's why I somewhat mischievously voted, "No, police shootings are a good way to cull non-submissive people from society".

The choice was rather unimaginatively phrased so that anyone supporting the police in these incidents is automatically cast as a supporter of cruel, tyrannical oppression. A rather shallow, dismissive construction, but just for the hell of it I rose to the bait, on purpose.

When suspects do not obey lawful commands from police officers, and instead engage in disobedient actions that often result in harm or death to the police, then they should be immobilized and or shot-DEAD immediately.

Here in Colorado, we've already had a number of these incidents resulting in dead police officers, just since the start of this new year. My advice to all police forces everywhere is, when apprehending or arresting suspects of criminal behavior of any kind, go in with full body armor, helmets, and weapons fully loaded. If the 'perp' makes one false move, shoot him and render him harmless!

The most recent example of a 'perp' murdering a policeman, and severely wounding others, in Colorado Springs: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/0...ers-wounded-in-colorado-springs-shooting.html

I'd rather see the bodies of 'perps' and criminals stacked up in coroner's hallways up to the ceilings rather than to have one more policeman killed by these rotten bastards.

 

I voted like you did for the same reasons. And now two more cops killed. Today in Ohio. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/1...g-to-call-suspect-in-custody-reports-say.html . If I was a cop I would carry an M-16 on full auto at all times.

 

I remember the case you're referring to. I found the video very disturbing. As I watched it before the shots were fired, I thought to myself, "This is not how you do it."

This was a bad arrest procedure, and it had a correspondingly bad outcome.

This would not have happened where I worked, and I certainly would not have fired.

Seth

 

I saw the video also. The perp was on the hotel corridor floor, but then suddenly reached down toward the waistband area of his pants (where weapons are frequently carried). He had been told plainly not to move. He moved, and in a provocative way. He got shot and he died. That's sad, but under no circumstances should be policeman be blamed. If people would simply do what they are told to do, they'd be all right. Too many policemen are being killed by criminals, drug addicts, and stupid people. I'll vote for police safety EVERY time....

 

Why would he teach you to be confrontational with the police?

 

This seems lost in today's discussion. My dad told me from as early as I can remember to treat cops with respect and they will do the same in return. I have lived by that for nearly seventy years and have never had a hastle with any cop. In fact I have never even got a ticket though I deserved a few. I admitted my guilt, said I ****ed up and have it coming officer and they always gave me a warning. Cops have a tough job and appreciate the respect they deserve. Don't smart mouth and don't lie to their face. It's a win win.

 

So that I don't get taken advantage of by them.

 

I am a retired police officer. A portion of my career was spent on a SWAT team. In my career I was in plenty of dangerous arrest situations, and I took people into custody at gunpoint numerous times. I never expected anyone to crawl to me on their knees with their hands straight up in the air. In fact, what I would have wanted that guy to do was to face away from me, get on his knees, and put his hands straight up or on his head. (People can only hold their arms straight up for a finite amount of time.) An approach and handcuffing can be done from that position. Another alternative is to have the suspect face away and walk backwards toward the sound of my voice. Then when they're where you want them, you order them to stop and get on their knees or go prone on their stomach. An approach and cuffing can then happen.

I am usually defensive of police, but when you ask someone to do something as unnatural as that, you should expect they may lose balance. And, as they fall, if one of their hands goes out of view, I am not going to shoot.

Now, if he had been in a more natural position - standing, walking, or stationary kneeling - and he suddenly moved his raised hands behind his back or into his waistband, that would be different. But he was in an awkward and unfamiliar (and tactically incorrect) position, almost foretelling an eventual loss of balance and sudden moves to catch himself. If you don't believe me, try it. We are not built to walk on our knees, and knees are sensitive. Try it.

Poor tactics, in my opinion, and a poor outcome.

 

Your advice was followed to a T by Philando Castille. But he is still dead, shot to death by a white cop.

 

Pretty dumb advice. Did he tell you to be confrontational with your teachers also?

 

Well being that I'm an atheist from a Jewish background, I get my morality from my life experience, not from any one person or any book that quotes a mythical being. Although I can't say that some of these quotes are not well founded.

 

If you search for police brutality that is what will come up but it does not mean a majority of police are bad.

From your bottom link.
A vast majority of Americans support the thin blue line. We all want good officers to succeed. The sacrifices which law enforcement officials make on our behalf are often overlooked and under-appreciated. Police brutality statistics should not exist, but they do because a small minority of officers abuse their privilege.

Is there a problem, yes but to blame all police for a small minority of them is just not right. The police are human and as humans we all have problems including you but by and large the human race is comprised of mostly good people and act accordingly, just like the police departments. Most confrontations with the police, including all traffic stops occur without incident. The ones that result in violence are mostly brought on by the attitude and behavior of the person who is stopped with very few being the fault of the officer. I would venture to say that much of the problem is attitudes like you and the media exhibit against the police helps to bring this about. There is a place to argue your case against an interaction and it is not the streets, it is the courts. Trying to paint all police as evil is not the way to correct anything.

 

No, he told me quite the opposite for my teachers. He was after all working rather hard to pay for them.

I have spent my life confronting bullies. No uniform will save you from me.
Policeman is not a respected profession. It is a hated and despised one. Socially outcasted.

It's not only because a small minority abuse their position. It's not only because they enforce unwanted rules, more basically they have the power to **** peoples lives up and they do.
And that is the core problem with police. They have power over you.

No one who does or who even wants to, can ever be trusted.



I was taught to confront policemen to minimise their ability to take advantage of me.
I have ignored this advice.

But I was raised to attack bullies. And I do.