Signs of Ukrainian forces 'going after' Russians: Pentagon

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  1. mdrobster

    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    Ok, while Russia certainly influences its neighbors, it does not dictate what they can do. Ukraine is showing them up.
     
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    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    Do US presidents kill their political opponents.
     
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    Yes they did

    Your opinion is wrong .. but correct on the second point. In this case the threat of Ukraine turning Crimea into a NATO base - putting ABMs on Russia's border like was done in other Eastern European nations who joined NATO -- destabilizing nuclear detente.
     
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    After seeing the mess that is actually the Russian military I think we have to wonder just how effective their nuclear systems actually are. They are nukes so they are a threat to the world, I guess.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes .. Russian Nukes .. China Nukes .. US Nukes .. are a threat to the world. Which is why NATO - and partucularly the US - should not be destabilizing nuclear detente.

    Biggest threat to the world from nukes at the moment is Israel .. if you wanted to prioritize the various threats -- another area where US policy has been a massive failure.
     
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    One seemed to approve killing his own VP... as I recall.... Going to political opponents wouldn't seem to be a stretch..
     
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    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    Ukraine never threatened Russia, period.
     
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    Well, Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein would probably think the US had a pretty significant roll in their demise. Just to name a couple.
     
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    So what's the story going to be down there in November? Looks like it's Beasley from the left, but the right looks like an episode of Survivor... Too bad it wasn't somebody named Trump.... that would have been a free seat.

    I was a little disappointed to see that Jackson guy drop out for the D's.... he had the perfect resume (IMHO) to be a political candidate in a VERY light red state...

    D's going to take that seat? That would be a real game changer...
     
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    Didn't realize those guys were running for POTUS.
     
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    Of course Ukraine turning Crimea into a NATO port is a threat to Russia .. "Full Stop" :)
     
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    Since NATO is a defensive organization (unless somebody is attacked), how do you figure that? Sure, NATO is a threat to Russian territorial expansion goals, but not to Russia itself...
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and Russia is a defensive organization against NATO .. a silly comment in general

    "Russia's Expansionist Goals" You got some kind of backwards reality syndrome going on mate .. been NATO expanding .. Russia withdrawing since the end of the Cold war.

    Let me know the Pentagon's reaction when Russia puts ABM's and/or missiles on US borders .. claiming "its only defensive" You think the Pentagon is going to agree .. do ya .. come one now .. tell me what the reaction of the Pentagon would be.
     
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    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    Again, Russia cannot dictate what other countries can do. Just because they signed a treaty, that does not threaten Russia.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    another gem of a respone .. Who claimed Russia should be able to dictate what other countries do - and who cares .. as this has nothing to do with what Russia views as a threat.

    Who said anything about a treaty .. those were not the examples given to you .. the one's you are avoiding and unable to address.

    That said .. your claim that a treaty could not be a threat to Russia .. is preposterously false. on steroids.
     
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    You are all over the place with your comments.

    That aside, Russia is getting at a minimum what it deserves, hopefully a little more misery for their actions.
     
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    You are projecting mate .. tis your comments that have nothing to do with whether or not putting ABM's on Russia's border is a "threat" - "All over the map" so to speak.. you should try harder to not tar others with your failings.

    Speaking of "All over the map" . what does "Russia getting what it deserves" have to do with whether or not ABM's on Russia's border are a threat ? completely irrelevant nonsense mate.
     
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    It has absolutely attempted to dictate to Ukraine. Its tried the same thing with Finland and any other nation around it that wants in on NATO.
     
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    Would this be before the Russians invaded Crimea? O it wasn't? It was after that? After they violated the territorial sovereignty of Ukraine, when Ukraine wanted in on an alliance to help prevent that in the future NOW its the Ukrainians that are the aggressors?
    You realize Russia has nuke bases and troops near the border of Ukraine right? Why is that not a threat to Ukraine?
     
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    So how deep into Mother Russia did the invasion forces get?
     
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    Not sure. In the past, the Dems and Republicans have had close numbers, taking turns at the majority position. It was Republican for a long time, but we have a Democrat for governor (good one, imo) and the legislature is Republican led. They (collectively) have done a decent job, at the state level.
    The Republican representatives at the national level seem to be getting a little flaky, though. Meadows, Cawthorn and others have strayed from the path of reality.
    I'm not sure who's up for re-election in my district, but I'll vote against someone who is an idiot unless there is a bigger idiot opposing them. Sometimes it's hard to tell who is the bigger idiot. lol
    It is a purple state, at least inside the state. They've overall voted R in the last couple of elections at the national representation positions, including president, but never by large margins, from my memory. The gerrymandering here has reached epic proportions.
     
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    Putin has been advancing where he doesn't belong, and now he thought the Ukraine would be a walk over, and it is ending up to be the worst military campaign in a real long time.
     
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    Well their attempt in the Ukraine has been an utter failure.
     
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    Are there invasion forces going into Russia ? didn't know that .. source please :)
     
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    Before Crimea .. Nato been pushing Russia's buttons for decades .. this is not just about Ukraines actions .. which albeit were aggressive towards the two Russian Provinces .. as how Fascist Nazi's are want to be ..

    The Pro Western Gov't of Ukraine -- via massive US meddling - seeking to Join NATO is what caused this mess .. not engaging in such provocation would have gone a long way to prevent it.
     
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