Signs of Ukrainian forces 'going after' Russians: Pentagon

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Agree that it has been tough sledding for Vlad .. also for the people of Ukraine .. and hopefully doesn't spread.
     
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    No no no: When did Ukraine push to join NATO? You claimed that was Ukraine's act of aggression against Russia.
    I'm asking you a direct question: Was that before or after the illegal Russian invasion and occupation of the Crimea?
    Spoiler: I know the answer, and its after.

    They sought to join NATO because Russia sought to control them, to invade them, to occupy them and deny their sovereignty.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Pro western political factions led the "Euromaiden" movement ramped into full gear in 2013 .. the nation was in upheaval - the Fascists going after the Russian separatists . protests in the streets - leading up to the outsting of the pro RussianYushchenko February 2014 .. all which happened before the the succession of Crimea. Russia never invaded Crimea ... nor "occupied it" Given the upheaval at the time .. Putin wisely sent in some security to protect their asset .. which is Crimea .. an asset they have held for 400 years .. and not going to let NATO occupy it .. nor any pro western regime ..
     
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    They do a lot of character assassination.
     
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    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please educate yourself on this first and we'll discuss it then. YouTube offers many good documentaries on this subject.
     
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    So you can't remember what it was?
     
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    As I said there are lots of information on this. YouTube is a good start.
     
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    You said we lied to Ukraine so I asked you what lie we told them and how it was worded. Just answer the question, you can even find the appropriate YouTube video to demonstrate your finding if you like but it's your responsibility to back your claim. If you can't do it that's ok, I didn't think so and I don't think we lied to them.
     
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    All we are seeing in the news are anecdotes. Most of them hearsay anecdotes and coverage that suggests influence operations. The cheerleading by liberals I believe is largely an attempt to deflect away from the domestic failures of Joe Biden with Putin taking on the role of Emanuel Goldstein in 1984.
     
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    Yes.

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    Prove my claim is wrong.
     
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    I don't need to, I already know you are.
     
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    Trump would have offered Putin money because Trump was and still is a worthless treacherous *****. However, Biden is a true patriot. He will not do that. However, when Ukraine wins the war and Putin gets the Mussolini treatment from his own people, Biden and all of our Allies will force the Russians to pay war reparations to the Ukrainians.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You misspelled racist pedophile.


    You do know a patriot would put America first, put Americans first, wouldn’t open our borders to the world, and allow other countries to take advantage of us, right? Biden got Americans killed in Afghanistan and he’s getting Americans murdered by illegals and the drugs they smuggle into this country.

    And a patriot doesn’t lead the world with five military deferrals. That’s right, five.
     
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    You are as incredible as the Russian poets we have praising Putin's patriotism and wisdom.
     
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    You don't believe that Trump is behind this? If not, what do you think was the catalyst?
     
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    I think we appear weak and distracted and Putin has ambitions and thought the timing was right.
     
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    In what ways do you think we appear weak and distracted?
     
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    We had a great deal of trouble developing our front line fighter. Then we appear to be thrown out of Afghanistan in what was a public debacle. One political faction is accusing the other of sedition and half of us believe the last election stunk to high heaven. 20 years of war in the area that finally broke the USSR should have depleted our reserves just as it did the Soviets.
     
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    Actually, his timing was delayed one year because he was assuming that Trump would win re-election, pull out of NATO and let him do whatever the hell he wanted, but unfortunately for him, history had other plans and Joe Biden is not a weak little ***** like Trump was.
     
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    Not, it did not appear so. That is incorrect. Trump already laid out the pull-back plan before leaving office. And MORE than one half of us is not just accusing Trump supporters of sedition. They DID commit sedition and are going to jail for their crimes, one after another. You may believe that the 2020 election stunk to high heaven, but the facts say you are wrong. The facts say that this was likely the cleanest presidential election ever in the history of our politics, but you just don't like the outcome.
     
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    I wouldn't say we lied, I'd say we gave them a promise we ourselves knew we were unwilling and incapable of keeping. We weren't willing to put soldiers on the ground in the 90's to defend Ukraine and we damn sure aren't willing now(which we shouldn't be, Ukraine isn't a US protectorate.). George H.W. Bush just took the simplest and easiest answer he could think of to non-proliferation, without thinking of the long term consequences.

    We were better off with a nuclear Ukraine, then with the Russians adding to their stockpile. And we damn straight were better off without a deal that drags one foot in the door and so inevitably drags the other foot as well.
     
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    About approximately 1,000 people attended the infamous j6 incident. That's not even a fraction of 1% of people(and of the people who attended the event, a majority did not even broach the premises(indeed, Washington had to expand its barometer in a 'show' of force, because that's what this administration has been and continues to be.)

    The only ones who cling to the 6th are the ones who wanted to use it for political expediency. But thankfully, unlike the Nazis in 1933 the only expediency has been to beat the opposition party with a stick. If that is the only cost that is to come from that ill-fated and foolish acts of rebellion, we can live. But I won't lie, I feared a Reichstag Fire emergency powers act, but the left lost the chance and the public support for that.
     
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    It's a false hope. Look at the magnitude of they managed to pull off. Not only that those in charge of the USA forced into silence 300+ million Americans, they silenced the mainstream media across the western world.


    Hunter Biden Laptop Scandal Is the Ultimate American Information Operation

    https://www.newsweek.com/hunter-bid...merican-information-operation-opinion-1690293

    Now, our Ruling Class' chief organ has admitted it. It took 17 months, and 24 paragraphs into an article at first glance unrelated, but buried in a New York Times report on the apparently sprawling federal investigation into Hunter Biden, the "Paper of Record" revealed the truth we've long known: Hunter's "laptop from hell" is real.
     
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    This is very incorrect. Well over 30,000 were there. It was not an 'incident'. It was a failed insurrection attempt and literally the entire world watched it unfold. No amount of lying or obfuscating will change the facts.
     
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