So is it OK to have sex with 14 year olds now?

So you're comparing your example to Larry Flynt's?? An 11 year boy holding his brand new .22 rifle with a huge grin on his face cause he's so happy is as obscene as the Vietnam war?

You just made that post even more irrelevant

 

That's one way to look at it ... another way to look at it is that conservatives believe that guns aren't obscene ... but sex is ...

 

Larry Flynt was talking about war, not guns.

Once again, FAIL

 

Well, what's more obscene ... guns or sex ?

 

Of course it is ok to have sex with minors.
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreen...ngs-and-prostitution-targeted-whistleblowers/

The state department under Hillary had sex with under age girls during drug parties while doing detail for Hillary. These was found out and all they did was get a few days off with pay.

So then if Hillary says its ok then it is OK to have sex with under age girls.

 

Niether

 

That explains a great deal.

 

Pedophobe.

 

I never said punish them for having sex. The possible consequences for careless sex are punishment enough, but by then it's too late. Having unlimited, unsupervised access to a possibly dangerous drug which can also, in a teenager's mind, give license for said teenager to have careless sex, as in no condom, ejaculating or letting someone ejaculate inside them because, "It's ok, I'll just go down to the corner CVS tomorrow and take this nifty pill and everything will be ok"

Do you not see anything wrong with that?

 

Back then when I was 14 it was quite alright! That's speaking for 14 year olds lucky enough to get any.

 

This is where you have it wrong. Society (and the media specifically) has sexualized young girls and now steps like this are viewed as a way to deal with this issue. You can try and legislate and force girls to not have sex, but you will be as successful as a cat herder.

Lets get this out here and clear

Girls are going to have sex whether you want them to or not.

Once you realize this then maybe these actions will make more sense, because this idea that the majority of girls are pure little angels who would never have sex until they were 20+ is a pipe dream and basing decisions on that fallacy will only cause more problems then prevent.

 

yep. Just like they did pre 1900s. In just about every society.

 

I'm not sure why parents who worry about these types of things just can't control their own children. If they'd just control and worry about their own kids then many of these issues would not be an issue.

 

You realize that the age of consent in many of the United States used to be 7.
It was still 7 in Delaware until 1895.
In some countries in Europe it's currently 13. In Belgium it's 16.

The point is that some 14 year olds in the United States ARE engaging in sex.
And so they make the morning after pill available to them.
That's Rational, that makes sense.
Because when they need the morning after pill, telling them what they shouldn't have done isn't really much of a solution to the problem.

 

I believe communities should be voting on these issues instead of merely restricting the growing of marijuana and denying and disparaging the "theory" of Creationism.

 

can't send plan b with them either, still not seeing the point

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WOW, do you have 13 yr olds? If you think its OK for them to screw anyone they want to...WOW is right. Heck, might as well reward them with a new car or something.

 

Wait, you said its NOT OK for 13 yr olds to have sex then claim you're exposing people for not wanting them to have sex that young. Which is it? You exposing yourself? So its bizarre to convince your kids that they really shouldn't have sex until they're old enough to perhaps, DRIVE at least? Remind me again what you believe in because you're contradicting yourself.

 

There is a huge scope between the extremes of punishment or reward and a perfectly valid position of not thinking children having sex is a good thing yet recognising that, whatever we do, it is going to happen and needs to be addressed in a rational manner.

I do think there is something of a conflict in the idea that children aren't mature or informed enough to make the decision whether to have sex or not (which I agree with) but that they should be heavily punished for making the wrong one.

 

Still got nothing huh Walter. Typical.

 

What conflict really? Maybe people who don't actually have kids might fight for their "rights" to make their own decisions=) Usually, ignorant clueless people. Kids are capable of doing it obviously, but should they be doing it? I can't imagine anyone with kids would be OK with it. Simply saying its wrong won't stop some of them and lets face it, how long before they get pregnant or an STD? An extreme harsh punishment would be forcing them to have it and take care of it, essentially ruining their lives. Not an ideal solution. A less harsh punishment would be forcing them to have it then give it up for adoption, something they will remember forever, unless they're heartless morons. An abortion is one tick down from there, since it'll be the girl who suffers the most. Taking a pill and making it go poof is the easiest solution. Waving your finger and saying "don't do that again", simply will not deter 9/10 kids.

You don't teach them sex is BAD because its not. There has to be consequences. Sex in your early teens shouldn't be as normal as playing a video game and fixing a mistake shouldn't be as easy as deleting your save game, which is what taking a plan B pill basically is. If your kid grows up thinking babies are just an easily erasable annoyance that sometimes happens when you have sex, what kind of adult will they turn out to be? But that's the image that's being portrayed. "Don't worry, kids, have all the sex you want, then take this pill every time you screw up...no BIGGIE!, have fun!" Is that really the lesson we want to teach? Obviously for some, it actually is, which is sort of ^$*#@# up.

Better to teach them that there is a time to wait a bit.

 

Actually we can be quite successful as most 14 year olds do not engage in sex or at least didn't until we did sexualize them as you describe.

Some will most won't if we do not enable it and teach them the improprieties and consequences of having sex that young.

But let's cut to the chase so you are OK with getting rid of consent laws and restrictions on sex with young teen age girls since they are mature enough to make the decision to do so?

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And shouldn't society as a whole do everything possible to help parents do just that? Or should society do everything possible to enable and protect children who choose not to obey their parents?

 

Punishment would be for knowingly making a bad decision yet the suggestion is that children don't have the ability to knowingly make such a decision at all. If two 15 year olds have nominally consensual sex, would you have them convicted of statutory rape too? In most places, while that crime will have technically have been committed, it is rarely prosecuted in such cases.

The fact is that many children aren't capable of making good choices regarding serious issues such as sex and that means some will make bad decisions and face the consequences of them. I'm not convinced simple punishment is the correct approach to such a situation.

Anyway, I certainly don't think pregnancy should be used as a punishment for anyone.

That won't deter 10/10 kids (and would encourage a few). Anyone who thinks that is in any way realistic has never dealt with teenagers before. You need a much more complex and tailored approach to this kind of issue but even if you do it perfectly, it isn't going to work 100% of the time. I think we need something similarly complex and tailored for those situations too. All or nothing, one size fits all attitudes is one thing I'm powerfully opposed to.

I don't think Plan B is actually that straight forwards but the attitudes are also about the wider context of sex education and social attitude. After all, in your objection to it here, you're actually propagating the idea that Plan B is a quick and simple fix. I think a more accurate balance between that and it being just like abortion would actually benefit your argument.

Certainly, but I don't think the availability of Plan B automatically contradicts that nor would preventing it automatically improve it.