South Africa refers Israel to International Criminal Court

iDont consider those ppl to be descended from the biblical ISRAELITES as africans are, hence why I make the distinction between Jews and Jewish for clarity about whom I'm referring to.

Those ppl you listed are converts to a religion called Judaism. Anybody can convert to Judaism and become Jewish if one so wishes, even you!

Have you ever considered it?

 

that's bullshit. they aren't converts.

 

In 900ad the khazar empire (Poland/Russia) converted to Judaism. This is the Ashkenazi. Sephardi are Jews.

 

We are who we wish to be associated with. Otherwise, genetically, humans have been mixing together too much for anyone to claim real descent from people of ancient times. Otherwise, in truth, a Ukrainian might have better genetic claim and association to the peoples who gave us the glorious story of Iran, than modern Iranians. A Palestinian a better genetic claim to the ancient Jews liberated by Cyrus than the Ashkenazi Jews who were originally Scythians of Slavo-Iranian-Turkic extraction, and mixed converts to Judaism, whose abode came the ancient lands of IRAN.

But as far as mythologies about creation, I like the ones reflected in Iran's epic, the Shahnameh, to any of the ones from the Abrahamic religions. And, frankly, if nothing else, this mythology comes closest to also telling us about the origins of the ("Slavo-Irano-Turkic) Ashkenazi.

https://iranicaonline.org/articles/iranian-identity-iii-medieval-islamic-period

 

Genetic studies have shown that Ashkenazi Jews are genetically similar to Iraqi (and other Middle Eastern) Jews, even though the two communities had been completely separated for 2500 years.

Wishful thinking won't make the Jewish nation go away.

 

Various 'nations', not just yours, go to extreme lengths to keep a "genetic" connection that in reality is a lot more tenuous. I know the issue of Ashkenazi origins is still disputed and debated, but even in Iran (despite no geographic or other separation between the two "Mizrahi" "types") a majority are obviously of ME background while a minority are distinguishable by red/orange hair -- the latter probably carrying the same genes that once made the Scythians famous for their red hair.

One of the prominent members of this study appearing in the Frontiers in Science is an Israeli professor of linguistics (emeritus or retired now) at Tel Aviv University.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087/full
The Origins of Ashkenaz, Ashkenazic Jews, and Yiddish

 

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087/full

Background
The geographical origin of the Biblical “Ashkenaz,” Ashkenazic Jews (AJs), and Yiddish, are among the longest standing questions in history, genetics, and linguistics.

Uncertainties concerning the meaning of “Ashkenaz” arose in the Eleventh century when the term shifted from a designation of the Iranian Scythians to become that of Slavs and Germans and finally of “German” (Ashkenazic) Jews in the Eleventh to Thirteenth centuries (Wexler, 1993). The first known discussion of the origin of German Jews and Yiddish surfaced in the writings of the Hebrew grammarian Elia Baxur in the first half of the Sixteenth century (Wexler, 1993).
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The Historical Meaning of Ashkenaz
“Ashkenaz” is one of the most disputed Biblical placenames. It appears in the Hebrew Bible as the name of one of Noah's descendants (Genesis 10:3) and as a reference to the kingdom of Ashkenaz, prophesied to be called together with Ararat and Minnai to wage war against Babylon (Jeremiah 51:27). In addition to tracing AJs to the ancient Iranian lands of Ashkenaz and uncovering the villages whose names may derive from “Ashkenaz,” the partial Iranian origin of AJs, inferred by Das et al. (2016), was further supported by the genetic similarity of AJs to Sephardic Mountain Jews and Iranian Jews as well as their similarity to Near Eastern populations and simulated “native” Turkish and Caucasus populations.

There are good grounds, therefore, for inferring that Jews who considered themselves Ashkenazic adopted this name and spoke of their lands as Ashkenaz, since they perceived themselves as of Iranian origin. That we find varied evidence of the knowledge of Iranian language among Moroccan and Andalusian Jews and Karaites prior to the Eleventh century is a compelling point of reference to assess the shared Iranian origins of Sephardic and Ashkenazic Jews (Wexler, 1996). Moreover, Iranian-speaking Jews in the Caucasus (the so-called Juhuris) and Turkic-speaking Jews in the Crimea prior to World War II called themselves “Ashkenazim” (Weinreich, 2008).
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The Genetic Structure of Ashkenazic Jews
AJs were localized to modern-day Turkey and found to be genetically closest to Turkic, southern Caucasian, and Iranian populations, suggesting a common origin in Iranian “Ashkenaz” lands (Das et al., 2016). These findings were more compatible with an Irano-Turko-Slavic origin for AJs and a Slavic origin for Yiddish than with the Rhineland hypothesis, which lacks historical, genetic, and linguistic support (Table 1) (van Straten, 2004; Elhaik, 2013). The findings have also highlighted the strong social-cultural and genetic bonds of Ashkenazic and Iranian Judaism and their shared Iranian origins (Das et al., 2016).
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The non-Levantine origin of AJs is further supported by an ancient DNA analysis of six Natufians and a Levantine Neolithic (Lazaridis et al., 2016), some of the most likely Judaean progenitors (Finkelstein and Silberman, 2002; Frendo, 2004). In a principle component analysis (PCA), the ancient Levantines clustered predominantly with modern-day Palestinians and Bedouins and marginally overlapped with Arabian Jews, whereas AJs clustered away from Levantine individuals and adjacent to Neolithic Anatolians and Late Neolithic and Bronze Age Europeans. To evaluate these findings, we inferred the ancient ancestries of AJs using the admixture analysis described in Marshall et al. (2016). Briefly, we analyzed 18,757 autosomal SNPs genotyped in 46 Palestinians, 45 Bedouins, 16 Syrians, and eight Lebanese (Li et al., 2008) alongside 467 AJs ... Remarkably, AJs exhibit a dominant Iranian ... ancestries, as opposed to [the rest]...Repeating the analysis with qpAdm (AdmixTools, version 4.1) (Patterson et al., 2012), we found that AJs admixture could be modeled using either three- (Neolithic Anatolians [46%], Neolithic Iranians [32%], and EHGs [22%]) or two-way (Neolithic Iranians [71%] and EHGs [29%]) migration waves (Supplementary Text)... Overall, the combined results are in a strong agreement with the predictions of the Irano-Turko-Slavic hypothesis (Table 1) ...

 

Just means South Africa support terrorists.

 

No. It just means they can tell who are the terrorists.

I guess if war erupts between Israel and Hezbollah, we will have to suffer through volumes of propaganda about how Hezbollah (a Shia militia) was hiding in Christian and Sunni homes and firing rockets from their kitchens!
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...-will-be-destroyed-if-hezbollah-launches-war/
Netanyahu: Lebanon will be destroyed if Hezbollah launches war

 

Hamas are the terrorists, South Africa supports terrorists.

 

Israel are terrorists. South Africa opposes terrorists.

 

They should be refering Hamas to the international court as its Hamas who started this war with their surprise, unexpected, unprovoked attack on Israel along with taking innocent hostages. South Africa has its priorities wrong.

 

"unprovoked"?

• Every second the people of Gaza had to endure in their 'open air prison' without hope of anything better was a provocation.
• Every time an Israeli soldier pointed his gun, shot, assaulted, battered, maimed. killed or otherwise terrorized Palestinians in the occupied territories was a provocation.
• Every time an Israeli settler was allowed to settle in lands that belong to the Palestinians was a provocation.
• Every time an Israeli was allowed to terrorize, assault, batter, kill a Palestinian family was a provocation.
  
• Every time a Palestinian kid, woman, or man, was nabbed by Israeli authorities from his home, put in prison, often without charge, was a provocation.
  
• Every time ...

Whatever side, and whichever position you like to take regarding a conflict that has been raging for decades, the one thing that no one should be even allowed to pretend, is the lack of provocation by either side.

 

Common sense, life experiences. You've never seen a human display cognitive dissonance?

 

Those "studies" were likely based off of several Ashkenazi Jewish folk living in Iraq. Hardly a true sample. These "studies" are most likely bogus and funded by Israeli organisations in order to obtain a false outlook of Jewish genetics since we know that Israelis organisations are crooks, the ADL (a notorious racist organisation) for example.

Israel itself was formed in 1948 by well know terrorists (begin). Israelis are a gangster nation that has no honour or integrity, which is why USA loves it, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Israel had strong ties with apartheid South Africa, which is why thousands of Jewish ppl went to South Africa during apartheid.

You probably won't even post your source since it will be debunked.

 

Israel are not terrorists.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...st-groups-or-organisations-accessible-version

Here's a link to terrorist organisations for you to understand the topic.

 

Oh dear me.

 

Oh dear me.

 

the current version of "Israel" legit or not, was formed by a prescribed terrorist in the name of Begin.

One could also say that Mandela himself was called a "terrorist".

The difference being, Mandela was defending his own country whereas begin was colonizing another country. BIG difference, no?

The reason for begin becoming a "freedom fighter" was naturally a white supremacist narrative, man will always be, a terrorist since there is zero redeeming factor

 

Did you struggle with the list?

 

Wanting and thinking sadly doesn't make Israel terrorists in your mind.

 

The current version of "Israel" was conceived in a terrorists mind. That's a bad omen.

 

Attacking British occupiers does NOT make the Israelis terrorists as far as I'm concerned

 

Attacking British occupiers does NOT make the Israelis terrorists as far as I'm concerned

 

How about Jews?

U.S. Navy servicemen?

Or are they allowed to murder anyone according to you?