South Africa refers Israel to International Criminal Court

He seems to be serious about his position on "zionists." But I'll agree his position is indistinguishable from that of someone just trolling.

 

Naturally, it is not possible for any country to find any fault with Israel's campaign, thus far, unless it "hate(d) Israel."
LOL.

Maybe South Africa feels miffed, because they had bowed to int'l pressure, & sanctions, to at least somewhat address their own Apartheid system; while it might very easily appear to them, that Israel just ignores all international outcries-- and gets away with it, because the U.S. usually has their back.

Then again, S.A. leaders might legitimately find such a high civilian death toll, not to mention such wholesale devastation of civilian buildings & infrastructure, in such a short period of time, to be appalling, & out of keeping with international norms.

The irony may be that just recently it has seemed to me, anyway, that the IDF has been a bit better, at least on some parameters, such as offering safe corridors for civilians wanting to flee, and pausing, at least locally, in their attacks, to give those civilians more of an opportunity to escape. I mean, we were at about an estimated 9,000 non combatant Palestinian deaths, after 3 weeks; now, 3 weeks later, we are around 14,000, total. So, while it might largely be a function of there not being nearly as many buildings remaining, to blow up-- the civilian death rate, while still quite high, has at least slackened, in its pace.

The thing that Israel will hopefully now start addressing, are the unlivable conditions, in the camps where Israel wants Palestinians from northern Gaza to go, for safety. The conditions which Israel is fostering, are seeding potentially epidemic level illness, among the displaced Palestinians.

(It would also be nice, if Israel stopped bombing those southern Gaza camps, without giving the civilians adequate warning.)

 

That’s what your words will necessarily result in. There is no other outcome that happens to your wish other than that. And why wouldn’t it if you think the land is all stolen anyway? Why would you afford the Israelis any land whatsoever when you think they are just a bunch of rapist land grabbers?

Stop pretending like you don’t want what you clearly want. Now that that’s out of the way, please explain where exactly you’d like to relocate them. Or is it as I imagine and you’d just like Hamas to wipe them out?

 

Israel is the victim of terrorists. Israel only wants to survive.

 

what would be nice is if the jihadists stopped trying to attack Israel
It would be nice if the Muslim governments stopped using the Palestinians as pawns and stirring up hate against Israel in order to deflect from their own incompetence
It would be nice if the woke idiots on American campuses realized that if they lived under Islamist rule, most of them would be jailed, beaten or worse

 

Nope and I gave an example of where that didn't occur - the U.S.

 

Israel is a terrorist organization who runs an apartheid regime which survives off of donations from abroad.

If Israel only wanted to survive, they would stop stealing, terrorizing their neighbors, and start learning to be peaceful.

Israel wants to expand their terrorism and if allowed to fully take Gaza and the West Bank, they will continue their terrorist campaign into other countries.

 

Non sequitur. We are discussing Sou th Africa's referring of Israel, to the ICC, over Israel's negligent efforts, to minimize Palestinian civilian casualties. That is, the deaths of non combatants. IOW, this topic has nothing really to do with Hamas.

Non sequitur, #2. What the governments do, in Muslim countries, is neither here nor there, regarding Israel's bombing methods, or strangling off of basic necessities, like clean water, from Gaza civilians.

Thanks for saving me the trouble: nothing makes more manifest, that someone's argument lacks what it takes, than to see a person arguing his side, by getting further and further removed from the debate topic, with each successive sentence.

 

Israeli's hate the U.S. Ever looked up dancing Mossad 9/11?

Or how about the time Israel attacked one of our unarmed Navy vessels and machine-gunned survivors in the life-rafts?

Who gave the Israeli's weapons to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians in 1948 - Stalin.

Ever heard what an Israeli thinks of their evangelical supporters?

 

That is at least partially a myth. You do know that the machine guns on the Liberty did open fire on the Israelis don't you?

 

If you want to disagree with the U.S. Navy veterans that's your U.S.- hating business. I want no part of it.

USS Liberty Veterans Association

 

Lol the comparison is so different it’s worthless from every single metric thats measurable.

Sorry, your fantasy will never come true. Israel will never agree to it, and nor should they. You want them confined to 7% of the land they now hold you’re just gonna have to do it the old fashioned way. By force.

Which i suspect was your intention all along. You, along with all the other Hamas supporters around here, like to play games and beat around the bush but that’s the aim of the blanket immunity from harm you’d like to give terrorists in the name of protecting innocents.

Glad you finally answered my question, even though you didn’t mean to

 

You brought up the comparison on page one. Now, when it doesn't suit your needs, you claim it doesn't exist.

Now that you've renounced your own initial argument, it seems there is nothing left to talk about and you've completely lost.

 

what did a US president once say-John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it.

the RSA has no standing to tell Israel what to do. Between it's corruption and crime levels, it's a joke

 

Yeah there's that and on the other side we had the marine Barracks, the USS Cole and 9-11. There is a dispute whether the Israeli attack was due to error or it was deliberate during the 1967 war but we do know that Israel paid millions in damages for the loss of US lives and injuries. There is no doubt whatsoever that the Marine Barracks, the USS Cole and 9-11 were deliberate attacks by Islamist terrorists designed to kill as many Americans as possible

hmmm. which side has done the USA worse? Israel or the Islamist terrorists.

tough call? I think not

 

Like I said, if you want to disagree with the U.S. Navy veterans that's your U.S.- hating business. I want no part of it.

 

The problem isn’t the comparison that makes it a bad comparison, it’s the point being made with it that makes it a bad comparison. Like, duh


You’re making a point using a comparison that doesn’t work—the idea that you can ethnically cleanse the Israelis and put them on a little reservation and the Palestinians that move in will be super peaceful like the Native Americans are peaceful today is a ridiculous comparison by every metric that’s measurable.

My comparison of Native Americans on the other hand actually works because my point was completely different from your illogical one, calling you out on your hypocritical stance of seeing the Israelis as land grabbers while you sit on stolen land yourself and refuse to give it back—a point which you still refuse to answer because it’s such a good one.


But nice try, thinking you can just use the same basic comparison and just make any point you feel like and it must be true or else I lose? LOL. Unfortunately for you, I am much better at the whole logic thing

If I’m going to keep being your teacher you really should start paying me. But not in land—that isn’t yours to give.

 

Your absorption of the information in this thread, has been rather poor, for you to think that South Africa was trying to "tell Israel" anything. They are merely referring this case, to the International Criminal Court.

Nor do criminal courts, by the way, generally tell people (or countries) "what to do." They mete out punishments, because of things that have already been done. I am beyond surprised, that a trial attorney would be unaware of this.

 

I can read actual reports on the incident.

Can you?

 

What makes U.S. Navy veterans so in fallible?

 

they are a paper tiger. the zookeeper is the USA

 

While @BobNewhart seems to want to puff himself up as some kind of America loving superpatrtiot what he ignores) (or is ignorant of) is that the majority of the crew of the U.S.S. Liberty were NOT American navy personnel.

 

Not relevant. When convicted it will be a major blow to Israel, their voters, their supporters, their special interest groups corrupting governments, that all along they have been rooting for a bunch of war criminals.

 

Oh! you want peace ?
I'll stand corrected then - peace is coming Bob, this IS your year

 

Some families did press charges on Hamas at ICC but as another poster wrote here - that's not Hamas fate.