STUNNING! IHME Reduces Their Model Predictions AGAIN! -- Now Say Peak Is ON EASTER and Only 60,000 D

Discussion in 'Coronavirus (COVID-19) News' started by Gatewood, Apr 8, 2020.

PF does not allow misinformation. However, please note that posts could occasionally contain content in violation of our policies prior to our staff intervening. We urge you to seek reliable alternate sources to verify information you read in this forum.

  1. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2015
    Messages:
    12,410
    Likes Received:
    2,689
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ehm ... wearing a mask is lesser to protect your own against others due to droplet infection etc. ... therefor you need a medical mask. But any normal mask reduces the danger that you mabye infect others with droplet infection if having a mask infront of your nose and mouth... because much lesser droplets fly then around and flay as wide as without mask.

    But no masks helps if there is no distance at all existing or as you wrote ... shoulder to shoulder etc. Here ony a full NBC protection suit helps at least ;-)
     
  2. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2017
    Messages:
    41,095
    Likes Received:
    26,663
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Disagree on gloves because of cross-contamination.

    But even if you are standing shoulder to shoulder with someone, a mask worn by both individuals will significantly reduce the risk of infection spreading.
     
  3. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2018
    Messages:
    9,050
    Likes Received:
    4,354
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Posted by a person who cannot even spell America properly.
     
  4. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2018
    Messages:
    9,050
    Likes Received:
    4,354
    Trophy Points:
    113
    False, in a situation like that standard masks are useless and are just a societal look at me I'm wearing a mask feel good.
     
  5. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2017
    Messages:
    41,095
    Likes Received:
    26,663
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It isn't false because of three reasons.

    1) Probability - Even if you face to face (without a mask) and the person coughs on you with the virus, you will not get the virus 100% of the time. It is a virtual certainty, but it isn't 100%. So even if the mask reduces that percentage by 1% further (and it does by much more if the masks are a decent quality and both individuals are wearing), then it reduces the likelihood of infection spreading.

    2) Viral Transmission Vehicles - While the virus is smaller than the holes for most masks, it is almost never aerosolized such that it travels by itself on the air. It is almost always carried by fluid or on surfaces like skin cells. Most masks are good at stopping water droplets and skin cells from passing through and thus the mask limits the spread.

    3) Viral load - We have data to suggest the severity of the infection is affected by the amount of the viral load taken initially. Thus, if the mask reduces the amount of the virus that gets spread to you, then the mask is likely to result in a less severe infection.
     
    Marcotic and Quantum Nerd like this.
  6. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2018
    Messages:
    9,050
    Likes Received:
    4,354
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The proper thing to do is cover your face with a disposable towel and dispose of it ASAP, if you sneeze or cough in a mask the droplets will evaporate exiting the mask when you exhale contaminating those around you with a much lighter payload that can stay airborne longer.

    False again virus are so light they can remain airborne considerably longer water droplets.

    But they don't work properly to prevent that, if you want to prevent cross contamination you must wear a mask equipped with this type of filter which I have finally found a source of.

    And I am sure as he** not posting it here.
     
    Last edited: Jun 29, 2020
  7. Quantum Nerd

    Quantum Nerd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2014
    Messages:
    18,112
    Likes Received:
    23,553
    Trophy Points:
    113
    As to point 2, RWers have often used the analogy of a mask with large pores stopping a small virus to a chain-linked fence stopping a mosquito. The analogy should be more like 50 chain-linked fenced stacked randomly behind each other. Could the mosquito still get through? Certainly, but with much less likelihood. In addition, there are are electrostatic effects in fabric mask filtration that are not included in this analogy.
     
    Marcotic and MrTLegal like this.
  8. Heartburn

    Heartburn Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2015
    Messages:
    13,576
    Likes Received:
    5,005
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If we get this virus it will most likely be from touch rather than breathing it. Grocery cart handles, groceries, that takeout hamburger.

    We had some really hard hit places early on, NYC for one so did they need mass graves? I would never make light of the deaths from this bug but people seem to be surviving it at a very high percentage. When this is over in NovemberwhenBidenwins, we may discover that the real cost will be no jobs to go back to. Dear God, should Biden lose do we get 4 more years of quarantine?
     
    Last edited: Jun 29, 2020
  9. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2018
    Messages:
    9,050
    Likes Received:
    4,354
    Trophy Points:
    113
    There can be no electrostatic effect in a mask, due to the design of masks.
     
    Last edited: Jun 29, 2020
  10. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2018
    Messages:
    9,050
    Likes Received:
    4,354
    Trophy Points:
    113
    One has to wonder how many people even know the differences between a mask and a respirator.

    And they are major very important differences.
     
  11. Heartburn

    Heartburn Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2015
    Messages:
    13,576
    Likes Received:
    5,005
    Trophy Points:
    113
    the masks are a control mechanism, if they were really needed as badly as we are told we would see Them on officials at newscasts. Nancy and crew wear them for photo ops but what if a photographer followed her around all day? We can minimize contact, avoid large crowds and do the things we do to avoid a flu epidemic without destroying our economy both local and national. But then Trump might not look so bad to the terrified sheep.
     
    Well Bonded likes this.
  12. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2018
    Messages:
    9,050
    Likes Received:
    4,354
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What I find interesting is how the terrified and misinformed sheeple want to impose their fear on everyone around them, it's the same old same old of sharing their misery they are so well known for doing.

    I guess if they can cause everyone to be fearful it normalizes their fear.
     
  13. Heartburn

    Heartburn Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2015
    Messages:
    13,576
    Likes Received:
    5,005
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Bear in mind that they actually believe the Democrat positions. Republicans deal with Americans and Democrats pander to every hyphenated group out there.
     
    Well Bonded likes this.
  14. FlamingLib

    FlamingLib Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2018
    Messages:
    3,903
    Likes Received:
    2,192
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Why do you think doctors wear masks?
     
    Quantum Nerd likes this.
  15. FlamingLib

    FlamingLib Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2018
    Messages:
    3,903
    Likes Received:
    2,192
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No, we know now the super-spreading events are happening in crowded indoor places, like church choirs and bars.
     
    Last edited: Jun 29, 2020
    Quantum Nerd likes this.
  16. FlamingLib

    FlamingLib Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2018
    Messages:
    3,903
    Likes Received:
    2,192
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes.
     
  17. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2017
    Messages:
    41,095
    Likes Received:
    26,663
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Anyone ever told you that it is a very bad idea to listen to experts from the internet that learn via youtube and use the word "sheeple" alot?
     
    Quantum Nerd likes this.
  18. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2017
    Messages:
    41,095
    Likes Received:
    26,663
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Explain to me how the mandating of mask wearing would result in destroying the economy?
     
    Quantum Nerd likes this.
  19. Quantum Nerd

    Quantum Nerd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2014
    Messages:
    18,112
    Likes Received:
    23,553
    Trophy Points:
    113
  20. Quantum Nerd

    Quantum Nerd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2014
    Messages:
    18,112
    Likes Received:
    23,553
    Trophy Points:
    113
    In fact, the evidence that I read was just the opposite. Transmission through touching surfaces is minor, whereas through breathing in close contact situations for extended periods of time is the major transmission mechanism.

    https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/...tact/289-b7b1a2bb-c3ad-4de5-a510-67946ea8cbc7
     
    FlamingLib likes this.
  21. Heartburn

    Heartburn Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2015
    Messages:
    13,576
    Likes Received:
    5,005
    Trophy Points:
    113
    A mask worn by both individuals would give both a false feeling of security. I carry a mask and if I am asked to wear it in a business I do so. So far the only place I have been asked has been a Dr's. office and a barber shop.
    Where did you read that?
     
    Well Bonded likes this.
  22. Heartburn

    Heartburn Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2015
    Messages:
    13,576
    Likes Received:
    5,005
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Even in that article it said that nothing is as good as good hand hygiene.
     
  23. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2018
    Messages:
    9,050
    Likes Received:
    4,354
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Doctor usually don't wear masks, they know they are really useless.
     
    Last edited: Jun 29, 2020
  24. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2018
    Messages:
    9,050
    Likes Received:
    4,354
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Really, many of them where considerably more correct than the so called experts like Dr. Fudgit and the scarf lady.

    I don't use the internet experts I get my information from the manufacturers and people in the PPE industry.

    Unless I produced it I take a lot of what's posted on YouTube with a grain of salt.

    Try to do better next time.
     
  25. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2018
    Messages:
    9,050
    Likes Received:
    4,354
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I guess you didn't completely read the article or you had you would have noticed a standard cloth mask alone is not a good solution, in order for such to work properly it must be a hybrid mask with a section added behind the cloth to provide electrostatic filtering. Electrostatic filtering does work I have a electrostatic filter installed in th einput side of my HVAC system.

    Bottom line, cloth masks such as those people are making at home are useless between filter leaking and a poor fit because they are not molded to the shape of the human face.

    It's also worth noting, if one has a beard it must be shaved off for a mask or respirator to work properly.
     

Share This Page