STUNNING! IHME Reduces Their Model Predictions AGAIN! -- Now Say Peak Is ON EASTER and Only 60,000 D

I wasn't insulting you, I was insulting the dumbasses at your hospital that seems unaware of the care act. You need to calm down and see if you can string together a coherent answer. I'll be here!

 

That should be "for a respirator to work properly, mind fast fingers slow.

 

These hospitilizations are incredibly expensive, take signifiant time, risk the lives of those medical caregivers, reduce the ability of hospitals to give aid to those needing other healthcare, and financially devestating anyone who doesn't have coverage in some way.

And, having you point to programs intended to cover costs that can't be paid by most people in America is hypocritical at best.

Republicans OPPOSE such programs.

In fact, Trump RIGHT NOW is lobbying to END the healthcare coverage of 23 million Americans.

I don't claim that the dollars is anywhere NEAR the only issue. The moral depravity of individuals ignoring the lives of those working in hospitals and of those needing hospital services unavailable when hospitals filll is another one. The administration having FEMA steal their needed supplies is another one. The administration reusal on producing PPE and other supplies through private contracts and use of the Defense Production act is another one. There is a lot to be disgusted about this administration's treatment of our hospitals and the people who are so dedicated that they are coming back from retirement to risk their own lives to help us.

Now, PENCE opposes Trump on masks! But, it's too little and way too late for this administration to pretend they have a COVID policy.

 

What morally depraved groups are ignoring hospital workers? You use colorful language but I'm not sure just what you are actually addressing. I'm hearing DNC talking points presented as if they were true and they are not. The federal role (Trump's) role was logistical and Democrat Governors and Mayors praised his efforts in the heat of the initial pandemic. Trump didn't need to use the Defense Production act, industry stepped up their efforts and filled the needs. You're trying to rewrite the history of this fight and it isn't recognizable to what we all watched take place.

 

Medical science points out what behaviors spread COVID.

Those who ignore that are spreading disease, increasing the load on hospitals of Texas, Arizona, Florida, etc., with patients that medical staff risk their own health to treat, with hospitals having to refuse treatment to those who aren't in emergent condition, etc.

I do NOT care what you think DNC talking points might be. I'm referring to medical science.

You claime you "watched". I see NO evidence of that. Trump's refusal to produce PPE and other supplies is WELL known to have left hospital workers in desparate condition, resulting in increased deaths amonth healthcare workers.

 

I'm not sure where you're going with this. It seems like we've jumped the rails on the topic. I thought we were talking about the numbers, but I guess that got too boring.

 

Medical science told you Trump refused PPE to healthcare workers? Medical Science is lying to you. Nobody worked harder or longer than the President to find sources and get supplies where they were needed. You are confused as to who ignored all the directives to meet in the streets by the thousands to riot and loot and spread the virus. It wasn't Trump voters, none of them were chanting 4 MORE YEARS!

You should try to be a bit more fair in your ranting or if that is too hard just be honest.

 

Sorry, that is unfortunately not correct as you write it. Scientifically proven is:

COVID-19 is primarily transmitted by the so-called droplet infection, where it then enters the body through the oral and nasal mucous membranes. Droplet infection means that you can get it or spread it by simply inhaling and exhaling ... especially then exacerbated by coughing and sneezing. Therefore, wearing a face mask is very important. Of course, only an appropriate medical protective mask protects against these aerosols with which the viruses are infected. But every protective mask in front of the mouth and nose reduces the radius with which you distribute the droplets as infected ... don't forget, after the infection it usually takes 10 to 14 days to get sick ... but all the time you can do others infect without knowing that you have been infected!
It can also be transmitted via the hands, but for the following reason: The virus is quite long-lived outside the body and can also survive for a long time on the skin, as well as on all possible other sort of surfaces. And since we countless touch everything with our hands during the day, hand hygiene is extremely important, because at some point your own hand comes into contact with your mouth and / or nose. Wearing surgical gloves / disposable gloves is therefore sensible, as is and above all, frequent hand washing!

The economic consequences are undoubtedly huge ... but how huge is a question of how well a country is doing and how well the general government system works. In the United States, many millions of people ... depending on the source, around 40 million people ... have become unemployed, or many companies have gone bankrupt ... but why is it in the United States as a percentage as well as a number many times more than, for example, in my country ... also what about the victims of infected and dead people by Corona itself?
The answer is that the system works much better in my country ... and please allow me a little irony and sarcasm here, because exactly this / our system has been given many times a shitstorm by Americans here in the forum in the past ... Example when discussing Obamacare at the time, our health system was described by the Americans as communist, far too expensive and idiotic. Well ... the truth has now turned out, isn't it?

But what really pisses me off is the dangerous ignorance of people who shrug off the many dead and victims with only a shrug of the shoulders and only have the dollar signs in their eyes ... and would love to go on like there is no corona and with the most idiotic things, justify this too.

A good example of such a dangerous moron is the British Prime Minister Boris Johnson ... who initially shrugged his shoulders, restricted nothing and had talked of an idiotic "pack immunity" ... until he was ill himself in the intensive care unit and then miraculously changed his mind completely. And UK in itself? Affected worse than Italy and Spain ... also because the NHS has been the victim of savings for many years that have now taken their toll.

 

From your post:

It can also be transmitted via the hands, but for the following reason: The virus is quite long-lived outside the body and can also survive for a long time on the skin, as well as on all possible other sort of surfaces. And since we countless touch everything with our hands during the day, hand hygiene is extremely important, because at some point your own hand comes into contact with your mouth and / or nose. Wearing surgical gloves / disposable gloves is therefore sensible, as is and above all, frequent hand washing!

 

Did you ever consider the fact a lot of people have to go on because they would lose everything if they didn't, it's not that they have dollar signs in their eyes it's because they have bills to pay, need to keep a roof over their head and a family to feed.

Or would you prefer they go homeless, living on the streets with nothing to eat, do you have any idea of what that would result in and the number of lives that would take.

Maybe you should get off your high horse and take a dose or reality, yea you might be ultra wealthy or living off others income, but a lot of us cannot do that and must go out and make a living and some of us have payrolls to me and an obligation to keep our employees work.

Maybe the ignorant are not the people who work for a living, it is those who don't and expect everyone else can do the same, sorry pal life doesn't work that way.

 

Have you considered that there are things that differentiate people from animals and also social issues and responsibilities as state and community of humans, eh?

Have you ever considered that the bottom line is to prevent the health system from being overworked or even collapsing? Is it really clear for yu what that would mean at least if it happens?

And what you mean, sorry ... why is it in many other countries not as bad and worse with many bankruptcies and unemployed people as with you in the USA ... although they had an even sharper lockdown as the USA?
Funny and strange that in the USA with 4 times as much population as in my country, you currently have almost 14 times more unemployed in total (40 million compared to 3.2 million with us). Ask yourself what is the reason and what works differently and especially better with us than with you in the USA, before you talk senseless about living on the street etc. to scare people ...

 

And?

Didn't I explained why masks are very important as social distancing too, eh?

 

Your country doesn't have a Democrat Party.

 

Ehm ... most have a D for Democrat in their name .... CDU of Merkel is Christian Democrat Union ... SPD is Social Democratic Party ... the Left was former PDS and was Party of Democratic Socialism ...

But you are right .. we have a bunch of parties (6 of them in Parliament) and not only 2 like you. So the choice is bigger for us as for you in the US?

 

The choice is clear here and we don't change horses mid stream so to speak. D doesn't mean quite the same thing there. Here it stands for Destructive.

 

Well, this was sure an embarrassingly wrong post, wasn't it?

The Gateway Pundit... lol.

 

But the "forum hysterics" wo which you linked said: "If we don't respond we can expect over 1.5 million dead."

We've obviously responded, and quite strongly.

 

And what does have to do with anything I posted?

Yep and I saw a constant reissuing of that claim over and over, which never came true, I also noticed the millions spent on setting up temporary hospitals most of which remained empty while the other where underutilized, what about the massive rush to produce ventilators many of which we are now loaning to other countries who didn't have enough, while we now have a surplus, talk about creating false fear and it's not me doing it, it's the left and the control freaks doing it.

[quoteAnd what you mean, sorry ... why is it in many other countries not as bad and worse with many bankruptcies and unemployed people as with you in the USA ... although they had an even sharper lockdown as the USA?[/quote]

Last time I checked the US is vastly different than the rest of the world.

Yet you seem to advocate more shutdown which will result in more unemployment, so you are complaining about a problem your solution would only make worse, maybe you should have thought about that before hitting Post Reply.

Sorry you cannot accept the reality that is what will happen, let me ask you a question since you seem to be on top of this issue, what happens to a homeowner if the fail to pay their mortgage, what happens to a person who fails to make the car payments, what happens to a person who fails to pay the utility bills, what happens to a family when they cannot afford food and the shelves in the food banks are empty, and what might a person do when they have lost everything?

And when you speak of instilling fear what has the shutdown done to our society?

 

So which model got the correct prediction then?

 

We DID respond...and kept the death total from going to those numbers...

What we didn't do was respond strongly enough

The mitigation matters

And let's not pretend that Trump didn't latch onto whatever model or prediction he felt best helped him "with his base"

 

What a line of BS.

 

Really resounding argument ya got there...

 

"As everything in what used to be called creation becomes a commodity, human beings begin to look at one another, and at themselves, in a funny way, and they see price tags. There was a time when people spoke, at least occasionally, of 'inherent worth'— if not of things, then at least of persons."--Harvey Cox, The Market as God

At least 150,000 Americans have died this July 6, 2020 from the Trump mafia syndicate: 130,000 deaths reported by John Hopkins University, and another 20,000 deaths under reported.

The American death toll in total from the Corona-19 pandemic could fill more than two football stadiums.

AT&T stadium in Dallas seats 80,000 persons and Lucas Oil stadium in Indianapolis seats 70,000 people.

 

It's a lot more sensible than anything you could ever come up with or ever have in the past.