He wanted to protest just like all the other protest for all the other things people protest against and hoping to get members of Congress and Pence to go along with his plan. Do you REALLY think there was some plan Trump had to take over the Congress and overthrow the government. How absurd. He needed Congress IN SESSION AND VOTING. ANY REQUEST had to originate from the local government. They has been told to her those request in days before. The President cannot order federal troops into such law enforcement on his own. It normally comes from a governor but since DC is a district it comes from the mayor. And she had sent a PRE-EMPTIVE letter to the White House in unequivicla words to NOT send in the National Guard. It is in session now and special committees can continue to hold their hearings. What more of this garbage are they going to display. They want this just before the midterms for their own political purposes. We were talking two different incidences. Why did the members of Congress refuse to answer to the subpoena request in this country we have a right to face our accusers. The irony they get to dodge them from a citizen while they are putting one in prison for the same.
The first barriers were breached at 1pm. Security is indeed a salient point. So is Trump’s refusal for hours to tell people to go home
I could list pol after pol using the "fight like hell" moniker, spare me. He clearly told them act peacefully and non-violently and make their voices be heard. And he told them three times including after Ivanka and others urged him. They weren't listening. So what exactly do you want done here?
1:28 was the first breech. And why are y'all so hung up on two words "go home"??? The people there weren't all from DC they were from all over the country they weren't at "home". What was need was to get the violence stopped and the police obeyed to get control. And he was urging that and they weren't listening the radicals had their own agendas at that point. But do you want done about it? I get it youngsters what happened that day and blame Trump. OK what now?
It was Trump who made the MAGA believe the election was rigged, it was Trump who raised $250 million fraudulently to stay in power, it was Trump who told his supporters that Pence could overturn the certification of the vote, it was Trump who gathered them on Capitol Hill. Your attempts to minimize the actions of the worst demagogue in US history are pathetic.
He waited hours, after the Capitol was breached, to tell them to leave. To go home. And the evidence this week says that wasn’t a failure. Not an oversight. Not a mistake. But a conscious decision NOT to make such a statement, despite strong advice from those around him. Eventually, after hours, he gave a mixed message where he finally asked his supporters to leave the Capitol. And you are another of the apologists for him, whitewashing his anti-American conduct.
What was needed was for the insurrectionists to leave the Capitol building. As soon as their leader asked them to go home, they left. Why did he wait hours to deliver that message? It’s inexcusable but that won’t prevent you from excusing him.
What was needed was for the proper security to be there in the first place so there would have been to rioting or breech of the Capitol. Who is being held responsible for that? They were already going home by then. Why didn't they listen to him the first three times he told them to be peaceful and non-violent and follow the orders of the police and respect them? And since most of their "homes" were hundreds if no thousands of miles a way why aren't you whining he didn't say "go back to your hotels"? First things first, be peaceful and non-violent and obey the police. But again what do you want done about it?
And it was Trump who told them to be peaceful and non-violent and obey and respect the police. Trump had every right to challenge electors just as the Dems had. Citizens had every right to peaceful protest just as millions of protesters before them. A few saw the weaknesses of the security and took advantage of it turning it into a riot. Trump was not in control of them, was not leading them, they were not listening to him. But again what do you want done about it?
He didn't try to challenge electors, he tried to stay in power fraudulently by lying to Americans. Words still have a definition in this world. He was the POTUS....
You don't know what you are talking about then because that was the plan, to challenge electors in the electoral vote, as the Dems had done the previous three electoral vote counts. He believed that with the VP invoking power some read into the EVA with those challenges he could get a new slate of electors, like the Dems attempted in the previous three. In all four vote counts it was the VP who did not go along with it. Trump DESPERATELY need the Congress to be in session in order for his outlandish plan to even have a chance. Remember he, along with officials at the FBI, DOJ, HSA, DoD and the Capitol Hill police would begging the Mayor and Capitol Hill leadership to put in the request for the additional security. THAT is what this committee and you keep ignoring. Trump was not in control of them, was not leading them, they were not listening to him I don't care who he was else they would have complied with what he said in his speech..............................................and this his tweet......................................and then his next tweet........................by then it was over and people were just being allowed to walk through until it ended as people left.
Well then, while I disagree with your hypothesis, seems that we are aligned on this particular topic. Make it happen... Personally, I call the riot seditious conspiracy, but I don't begrudge those who still call it an insurrection, since the former is a mouthful....
If he needed Congress in session and voting, then why didn't he immediately tell the rioters to leave the Capitol? They were disrupting that process. Well it looks like the president may well be able to do that if an emergency is declared. You don't address the example I gave about the Insurrection Act of 1807. They may well still be taking depositions until the recess. This is a slightly bizarre issue to get exercised about IMO. Maybe give me a link regarding the incident you're talking about?
If trespassers break into your house and you call the police, what would you rather the police say to them: "Keep calm" or "Get out now"? You seem to be suggesting that both responses are as good as each other.
This isn't about a middle of the night break in into my house but I can assure you had the police told me that I might need extra security around my house because of a probable protest and they were willing to provide it I certainly would have taken them up on the offer, wouldn't you?
He immediately told them to go to the Capitol and be peaceful and non-violent and let their VOICES be heard and nothing more. Once the building was breeched he told them to be peaceful and non-violent and obey the police, he did it again. They weren't listening at that point it was out of hand. They had explicit instructions in hand from the Mayor to NOT sent in the NG into DC. The official request had to be made by the Mayor and the Capitol police who have jurisdiction the President does not. Good grief how long have they been at this? They gave us their complete timeline, the whole 187 minutes, they had their SURPRISE hearsay witness, none of her testimony corroborated by the agents involved and in fact denied. What else is it you are looking for? What is it you think should be done? Go look up the Bannon trial.
The protest outside and around the Capitol was legal with permitted groups and others. The 800 who rioted and were arrested were a small minority who weren't listening to anyone they had their own agendas.
You're avoiding the question. You say he needed Congress to be in session. The presence of the protestors in the Capitol was stopping that, yet Trump didn't ask them to leave. That suggests you're wrong and he was content with them being there. You're not very good at addressing the arguments people make to you. I'm not going to repeat myself again. They say witnesses are still coming forward. They should gather as much testimony as people are willing to provide and then write their report. I did. That's where I found out the judge quashed the subpoenas. It's not my job to find evidence for your claims.
No. This is either not a good faith debate or else there is such a chasm between our way of thinking about things that there's no chance of any kind of understanding. Either way, it's pointless (again). I'll learn my lesson this time.
It was Trump who created this chaos. No one else did. Without him, none of this would have happened. Without him, there would be a peaceful transition of power, as there has been for a century. You bet on a demagogue, you lost.
Maybe not all hope is lost... SNIP The Secret Service has identified potential missing text messages on the phones of 10 agents that were sent and received around January 6, 2021, a CNN report says. Secret Service investigators are now probing phones that contain metadata showing that messages were sent and received on or around the day of the Capitol riot, CNN said, citing two unnamed sources. Investigators are working to determine whether the content of the text messages of the 10 agents contained relevant information that should have been preserved, the outlet reported. ENDSNIP https://news.yahoo.com/secret-identifies-potential-missing-text-103853905.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall Gotta love that term - Metadata... I wanna see the text that says "T**** in vehicle.... preparing to move back to WH... AUUUUUUUUUGHHHHHHHHHHH... officer down.... need assistance"
