Televangelists Speaking In Tongues

Depends on the law. Where you get the 67% is funny and not substantiated. If you are talking about a Constitutional Amendment, fine. Then stop limiting our rights of religion, speech and the rights to bear arms. Also, the right of unborn children to not be killed with torture. Yes, it's mostly a simple majority. When Congress, the President and Supreme Court sign off on it, it's no violation.
As far as your continued redundant ridiculous rant about laws based on religious belief is forcing belief by physical violence is falling on deaf ears. It's bogus. Laws against stealing don't require physical violence placed upon the criminal. No whipping, beating and so on is sanctioned by law. Imprisonment is not physical violence. However, killing an unborn baby with torturous methods is physical violence is a biproduct of abortion laws brought on by secular godless beliefs.

 

Why do you think the number for Constitutional ammendment is 75% and not 50% ?

1) messing with essential liberty is "Above" the legit authority of Gov't - that is the point of a constitutional republic - how power is limited.
In our system - as per the founding principle and definition of constitutional republic .. Essential liberty is "Above" / "Beyond" the legit authority of Gov't.

Jefferson put it like this - The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82

Now you clearly had no idea what the concept of "legitimacy of authority" was - .. so perhaps you should take it back a notch - hoping you understand what essential liberty is from the above - as you made this mistake previously Murder, Rape, Theft .. are "NOT" essential liberty.

Messing with essential liberty on the basis of 50+1 or "Simple majority mandate - I got elected so have the right to mess with Essential liberty" is supposed to be verboten .. called "Tyranny of the Majority" both Classical Liberalism and Republicanism.

2) so if not 50+1 or SSM - what number would you suggest using ? 52% ? to claim "Consent of the Governed"

There is little point in putting essential liberty "ABOVE" the legit authority of Gov't .. if by getting elected .. someone can mess with legit authority - now is there.

So if not "At Least" 2/3rds majority .. what number do you figure would satisfy "overwhelming majority" criteria.

 

You are clearly not interested in the facts. Heck, why don't you take Jefferson's words for my answer? You should. It shouldn't do you any injury because of my belief in God. There are laws that Congress passes that all that is need is 51 votes. Doesn't mean that it will always be 51 Democrats or 51 Republicans. Could be 26 Democrats and 25 Republicans. Or, 25-25 broken by the Vice President. Then, some votes require 60%. Your 75% is for the States, not Congress. Two-thirds is required by both the Senate and the House separately. That's 67 votes in both houses. Are you learning anything yet or just going to bloviate some more?

So, 35 States vote for a Constitutional Amendment based on their constituencies beliefs. I'd say Utah would vote based on basic Christian values. Maybe some Mormon values if there is an amendment for say polygamy, even thought the Church there doesn't allow for polygamy since 1890. Right now, the right for people to have more than one wife is against the law. Yet, two males or two females can marry and commit sodomy all they want. That's based now on secular beliefs. Each Senator and Congressperson votes based on their constituents and their own personal belief systems of either religious or secular. To say otherwise is to lack the understanding of human thought process and emotions.

With respect to the Murder, Rape, Theft lack of understanding mistake you continue to make, the laws prohibiting these acts are based on the 10 Commandments. And, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is essential liberty. In which the secular part of government is getting rid of and replacing it with cradle to grave Marxism.

 

You have built a strawman - as your belief in God does not do me any injury - and never did I claim otherwise - until such time as you start start making law on the basis of that religion .. and now I have an issue with your religion - and that person in general. Not a fan of Sharia - and people who try to defend Sharia - an anathema to the teachings of Jesus

now back to Thomas - it is you who did not understand the quote .. the religious comment in particular..

The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82

Religion has no part in the legitimate powers of Gov't .. is what Jefferson is saying .. and you who is not interested in the Facts with respect to this issue .. have yet to figure out that making law .. by definition - is forcing personal belief on others through physical violence - and giving the state power to do your dirty work - to punish violators.

You can't answer the simple question put to you in the last post .. "What %" to usurp legit authority .. your answer was gibberish .. we all know congress has differnent % for different actions - I mentioned one previously -- so why are you disingenously pretending otherwise .. building another vacuous strawman

The question here is what the percent should it be for a change in the law - With Respect to Essential Liberty - we are not talking about passing a spending bill .. we are talking about a referendum .. so why are you even talking about congress to begin with.

You were the one that complained about 67% for that referendum .. 2/3rds majority - Then suggest what the number should be - given what I taught you about Tyranny of the Majority meaning 50+1 doesn't cut it.

What number do you suggest ? Not a complicated question here ..

 

There's a lot going on in this thread.
In College the chaplain was Lutheran, boasted about how many years he studied in places like Germany, but he didn't seem to know too much. He led the authorized Bible study for the college and liked to teach the same subjects as often as possible. Jonah and parables were his favorites.
One year someone (not me) persuaded him to do Revelation. When he got to the passage "Come up here" someone (not me) asked if that wasn't like the rapture.
"I don't know what you mean" he replied.

 

Giftedone, are you implying that Elohim is the father, YHWH the Son and Adonai the Holy Spirit?
I've recently started investigating that possibility.

 

Religious people object to drunkenness. Some object to alcohol consumption. Drunken people hurt a lot of people. Somehow these elements combined to create prohibition as an amendment to the Constitution. Many of the same people voted it out just 14 years later.
So occasionally you can get a big law to keep people from doing something. In America however you should not pass a law to force people to do things.

 

No matter what rant you want to give, in a democracy, the majority rule. That's why the Constitution is so important because we are a Democratic Republic meaning we are a nation of laws with the Constitution supposed to be the highest law. laws made by man are made in Congress and State and local legislatures and councils. Those laws are proposed by human beings who lean left and right while some are in the middle. The laws are voted on by the elected officials. Some states have "Propositions." Because human beings are 100% in control of this, they will come up with laws based on their opinions, beliefs, ideologies and whatever else they choose. Your continuous rant about what you don't like is worthless when it comes to these votes. It doesn't matter what you like. I don't like WOK religious beliefs of gender neutral being made laws. But, it doesn't matter one iota. The majority rules. Don't like it, replace the elected officials with people of your beliefs, opinions....

 

We don't have a "Democracy" but regardless -- I already explained to you how majority rule works -- now you are repeating what I told you back to you ...

If you can get 67% to agree -- can make a law requiring sex with goats once a week if you like - if that what you think your God wishes .. and you can get enough folks to agree with you.

 

It's not your explanation. It's your disagreement with majority rules that you keep ranting on. 50 + 1. When writing a law, some laws are passed with 50 + 1. Some require 67%. Constitutional Amendments require 75% of States and 67% in both houses of Congress. The laws are based on beliefs whether religious or non-religious. You can reject a law but still have to live by it or move out.
We are becoming a democracy. The Constitution is wavering in strength and relevance because of Democrat leftists taking over and liberals falling in line like sheep to the leftist Marxists.

 

Quit telling me things I already told you .. followed by forgetting other things I already told you ..

There is no " Disagreement" -- I am telling your how "Tyranny of the Majority" is defined in both Classical LIberalism and Republicanism

Your disagreement is not with me .. Your disagreement is with the definition of a Constitutional Republic .. as you would rather have theocracy and rather not limit the power of Gov't.

 

You keep making the same statement in which I keep telling you I'm not for. I know exactly what a Constitutional Republic is and I agree with it. I do not want a Theocracy anymore than a Marxist government. You also refuse to acknowledge that a secular belief system is just as tyrannical as a religious one like the Taliban. There is no difference between the Taliban and the Chinese government. There is no difference between the Democrat leftists (which is most Democrats these days) and Stalin or Hitler.
The truth about a Constitutional Republic is the laws are made by human beings with different opinions whether liberal, conservative, religious or secular.

 

My wife speaks in tongues and she is amazingly gifted......
she was even told back in 2000 that I was going to be her husband.....
so I take this phenomena quite seriously.

I have got to try to lure Chris Sky to her Catch the Fire Church to see what sort of prophecy he will get.......

When Pastor Lillian Brown came to Nova Scotia a few years ago she predicted to me that when Jesus takes me to where he wants to.... that I be careful to not forget God. I take it from that that I will soon be rather busy, busy, busy.....