The Democrats have gone crazy in their thinking and policies

Progs

Everything should be free. We're not sure where we'll get the money but we've got a printing press and we'll just fire that up.

Also progs..... What is inflation and where does it come from?

 

Except we do.

 

You seem to think the people are just some inexhaustible source of tax money.

If you had it your way the government would be even more of a leaching parasite than they already are.

The more intelligent and evolved parasites realize that you can only wring so much out of the host before you kill it.

 

I find it interesting that you choose to counter my main points in that post with line items that you think prove DFT's love of 'Merika.

I don't buy it for a second that DFT's love for 'Merika is worth a split nickel.

More importantly, even if there is some shadow of legitimacy to this, DFT's pathetic need to be the smartest guy in the room will largely preclude his ability to execute anything that results in an end justifying his means.

And his means are clearly the stuff of populist right wing fascist rhetoric so vile in its nature as to be of itself sufficient that no decent citizen should imo even consider him as a viable 2024 candidate to begin with.

Before I address your points, let me remind you that one of your repeated themes here at PF in your posts have been about electric cars. Let's get into this if you'd like. I'm sure we can both agree about at least a few of the facts associated with the topic of government mandates for electric cars. And at the end of such a dialog I'd be willing to bet it'd fizzle out to a whole lot of nothing.

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You actually believe this stuff? Almost all of it is demonstrably bullshit.

Yes, the DFT administration apparently did piss off US allies with its purchase of basically all of Gilead's production of Remdesivir.

What was actually and effectively accomplished with the Remdesivir? Show me the links to the stats.

UNDER TRUMP 3M MASKS WERE INTERCEPTED FROM CHINA, hahaha, dude, are you for real?

While you are at this game please include the Jared led fiasco of the test kits that due to improper logistics, shipping and handling basically, were rendered worthless.

Ah, he pi--ed off a whole lot of countries! Fo Sho! Lot of value in that, innit there?

That Eastman deal, or Kodak. It fell through and went nowhere.

https://www.whec.com/archive/good-question-does-kodak-still-plan-to-make-drug-ingredients/

Just like his wall.
Just like his Foxconn deal.

What the holy f did this accomplish? Show me some proof that this new law accomplished anything, please.

Sorry, DFT is not the lone voice in US politics on both sides of the aisle that have told organizations like the UN and the ICC to pound sand.

I am curious what specific example you reference here, so, again, link please.

Again, do you have a link to this assertion? One that documents exactly how DFT managed to extract more defense spending and of course, it will be necessary to also see where that money actually ended up. This one might actually be one I'd agree was a bit of a win for DFT.

Great. And this affected Joe Mainstreet exactly how much?

Steel?

https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-the-us-steel-industry-is-dying

The only new and innovative steel mills are small operations that melt scrap, the electric arc process discussed in the above link. Tell you what, how about you do your research and vet these claims yourself. Check the stats on US steel production from say around 1860 to this year and show me the links that prove DFT moved the needle.

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Four years and DFT couldn't complete the withdrawal from Afghanistan under his watch. He kissed the Taliban's ass and left a s show of a situation for Biden to cleanup. And then folks bitch about the execution of the withdrawal, and rightfully so, but give DFT a pass on his role in the setup.

The Taliban Hardly Deserve Camp David Talks With a President. What Was Trump Thinking?


Four years in office with Rs in complete control of all of the legislature and the executive branches and the only lasting item of significance was an overhaul of the US income tax code.

https://publicintegrity.org/inequal...-tax-cuts/the-secret-saga-of-trumps-tax-cuts/

This article mentions a depth of flaws in the new tax code, foremost among them is the gap it created between US federal income and its spending. Gee, could it be possible that this new tax code is what accounts for the new slope we see on the US national debt increases? A new tax code implemented under DFT? Hahaha.... It is very very difficult to be respectable toward fellow members here or in the general public that have aligned themselves with this total and complete charlatan.

From the same article, what did DFT accomplish with any Federal reform on Obamacare? On funding repairs for US interstate bridges? Anyone that's ever driven I10 over Lake Charles should know the importance of these repairs....

How about you take the time to refute my refutation and show some links from reasonably legit sources that substantiate these claims that DFT accomplished sweet f all that was worth dealing with his bloviating right wing fascism tweeted daily.

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It's simply pathetic my man and it is not difficult to see the mountain of red flags that are piled up against DFT.

I suspect you are moving along with your political views largely shaped by inertia and I am spending my time here with you with this post to actually try to convince you that you have missed which of these candidates represents a truly more conservative candidate. Biden is easily more conservative than DFT. How about that apple bro?

Just look at all of these glaring disconnects. Can you imagine serving under a Post Commander that tweets s at 03:00 about something he saw on Faux News? Brilliant wouldn't that be? Faux News that mind you lost a billion dollar lawsuit? Owned & operated by an Aussie that scooped up Mick Jagger's Ex. It's ridiculous innit? Biden doesn't swim in this kinda s, but DFT does and loves it.

How about these two clowns in the House, this dipshit country dumbf from Kentucky, James Comer and his bff from Ohio, Jim Jordan, Ohio State wrestling coach from 87 to 95. If ever there were two dudes associated with the favored party of the Evangelicals that Larry Flint may likely have a gay porn video stashed away of, these two are them.

How about this nonsense pursuit of Hunter over about 10 million dollars of foreign influence with DFT's SIL having received a big 2B from the KSA?

How about Mattis, resigning after DFT comes back from a G-whatever meeting in Brazil where he had a secret handshake meeting with Putin and two weeks later commanded that US forces abandon their positions in NW Iraq and NE Syria?

Marine1, you choose DFT over Mattis? I don't know, maybe there are some arguments that might justify this. It's my understanding that Mad Dog is responsible for the Willy P bombing of civilians in Falluja, so there's that to consider.

But then we have the final straw, and it wasn't just one day on 1/6/21. He tweet fired the SecDef ffs after having lost the election. His rabid R AG resigned ffs. Nope, nothing to see here, huh? No intent to subvert 200+ years of how the US puts the new guy into that office? Bull f'g s. Ah, profanity is essential to describe such actual profanity.....

 

I just have one question for you.
Who do you think did a better job on the border security issue?

 

You want to get rid of govt be my guest.

 

No actually I'm not as extreme as you are on this. I realize the importance of a limited role of government that doesn't grow overly bloated taxing the people to death.

You see there's a basic lesson that people who want socialism fail to realize. And it is just basic math..... When you start extracting more from those who produce resources ( read taxes here...) Then the consumers consume..... Then you have a house of cards built on shifting sand that is just a matter of time until it collapses.

You can't provide everything for "free" to everyone just because you want their votes. There is no such thing as "free". Somewhere someone is paying for it, and it sure as hell isn't the government because they don't produce anything. It's just using the government to Rob other citizens to pay for those who want things for free, which you fully support

Study your history and see every single nation that has tried it and look what happened..... But don't worry I'm sure it will be different here.....

 

Nope, sorry.

 

Grey Matter, It's true that Congress has held up the loan to Kodak, for what looks like inside trading. But that isn't Trump's fault. He wanted to bring the making of those ingredients here to America as to not rely on China or any other country to use them as a hammer over our head and put millions of lives at stake.

Trump said we have been fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan for 20 years and could be there another. He talked to his generals who believed the Afghan Army had been trained enough and had enough weapons to defend the country. So he made the Taliban a deal. Stop fighting our soldiers and we would pull out in a year, which they agreed and during that year, no American soldiers were killed.

They found a flaw in income and spending? No kidding? Between everything I showed where much of the money went and most of our industry and stores shut down and spending billions propping up employees from no work, no pay, I have no doubt there was a huge gap. If companies aren't open and people aren't working, your not taking in many taxes. But you sure are using tax money to keep everyone afloat for a good part of the year.

Government subsidies was to stop when Obama left office. It didn't and it forced the government to contine funding. As for infrastrucctures, Liberals have no room to talk. After the crash, Obama was looking all over to try and create jobs. While he was doing that the two biggest Blue states, California and New York was hiring the Chinese to build them, not American companies wger jobs would have been created and money circulated back in to the American economy. U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms (youtube.com)

I put down many sources. But I am sure you know some will keep them up for years and others will take them down in days, weeks or months. I stored these when I read them. Having no idea of how long they would stay up. Yet there is other sources talking on the same thing that still might have them up. To know this you would have to type into a search engine the subject you want to know about and see if still up..

Fox lost the law suit because of enter company E-mails by Tucker Carlson saying he didn't believe the two people who said they had proof the machines were tampered with. yet put them on. But I think he had a duty to do that as they were big influencers to trump and one spent millions making a video of how it was done. (The Absolute Truth) Which later the creator of the film wouldn't verify it to a reporter.

James Comer and his bff from Ohio, Jim Jordan, couldn't be anyway near as bad as the the Squad that seem to hate America and close Allie and stick up for our enemies. Or Hank Johnson Worries Guam Could "Capsize" After Marines are located to one side of it.



U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms (youtube.com)

 

Your denial means nothing. If Democrats think they can get votes they will promise "free" stuff to the largest groups of voters they can possibly pander to.

 

Except for the fact that all politicians do that.

 

Give us the most recent example from the right

 

Tax cuts.

 

Should your man win and you & I are still here it will be interesting to follow up on this in 2-5 years

 

Trump's Winning the Vote Switchers because of his moderate positions.

'Trump is winning over more and more vote-switchers because his positions are moderate. On abortion, for example, he may support a federal 16-week ban. By polling data, 48% of Americans support such a ban, compared with 36% who oppose such a ban. Only 24% of Americans support Biden’s position — availability of abortion without limits. On immigration, Biden is underwater by over 20 points. On inflation and spending, Americans favor lower inflation and lower spending — both propositions that cut against Biden’s preferred policies. On national security, Americans broadly favor Israel over Hamas — and yet Biden’s administration has steered toward the pro-Hamas voters in Dearborn, Michigan.'

'For some reason, Biden and his team think that their echo chamber strategy — shouting “Jan. 6!” over and over while demonizing their political opposition as insurrectionists and traitors — is likely to jog enough base turnout to overcome their loss of the middle. But that’s a chimerical proposition. Biden, in other words, has been suckered by the very people who want him to win most — the radicals in the media who keep ramming him toward the far left, even as he falls further and further behind in the polling.'

Sometimes it seems like Biden's Dementia has become a contagion among the top levels of the movement.

 

Watching the incompetent clowns of Fani and Bragg flounder about discrediting themselves is revenge in itself.

The Unprepared Bragg Stuns Observers By Seeking A 30-Day Delay in Trump Trial



'Manhattan district attorney Alvin Bragg stunned observers this afternoon by seeking a 30-day postponement of the criminal trial against former president Donald Trump. The trial is currently scheduled to start a week from Monday — i.e., March 25.'

Didn't this idiot bring his indictment nearly a year ago? And now when it's time for him to produce, he's not ready on time?

'Bragg’s assistant prosecutors advised Judge Juan Merchan and the Trump defense team that the postponement is necessary to enable defense lawyers to review a batch of previously undisclosed records.' This is thousands and thousands and thousands of pages of documents, they have yet to allow Trump's counsel to review, here, 10 days before trial was to start. Of course they blame others.

'The delay sought is yet another indication of the strangeness of Bragg’s case against Trump, and its fundamental unfairness.'

'Bragg has taken a potential misdemeanor falsification of business records — a single transaction that harmed no one and is, as Dan McLaughlin has quipped, essentially a matter of Trump lying to his checkbook — and metastasized it into 34 felony counts. Quite apart from the abusive stacking of charges is the statute-of-limitations issue.'

Yes, the Statute of Limitations issue.

'The misdemeanor offense involves the booking of reimbursement payments that Trump made to his former lawyer, Michael Cohen. The payments were reimbursement of a debt, specifically, $130,000 that Cohen had laid out in October 2016 for a nondisclosure agreement — entirely legal — in which porn star Stephanie Clifford (a.k.a. “Stormy Daniels”) was paid to maintain her silence about a sexual affair she alleges to have had with Trump circa 2006. Trump booked the reimbursement of the 2016 Cohen debt as if it were payment for ongoing legal services.'

https://archive.ph/6tjyJ#selection-949.11-949.113

 

'In New York, the statute of limitations for a business-records-falsification misdemeanor is two years. That is, if the case were properly regarded as a misdemeanor, the time to prosecute would have lapsed in 2019. The misdemeanor can be exacerbated into a felony (with a potential four-year prison term) if prosecutors can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the falsification was done to commit another crime.'

'Bragg implausibly claims that Trump was concealing a campaign-finance crime, which he committed to avoid the affair coming to light before the election. This, notwithstanding that
(a) nondisclosure payment was not a campaign expense;
(b) Bragg is a state prosecutor who does not have jurisdiction to prosecute federal campaign-finance offenses;
(c) the federal agencies that do have jurisdiction did not seek to prosecute Trump;
(d) Trump (who denies the affair) would claim that payments were concealed to avoid embarrassing his wife and family, not to cover up what he says is a noncrime; and
(e) even if disclosure had been required by federal law, the reporting period would have been in 2017 — i.e., it would have had no impact on the 2016 election.'

Bragg's case is stupid^5

'In any event, the dubiously charged felony offense has a statute of limitations of five years. That is, it should have lapsed in 2022 – a year before Bragg indicted. Nevertheless, during Covid, New York tacked a year onto statute-of-limitations provisions because courts could not process cases. Bragg argues that this extension brings his case into the limitations period.'

'Statutes of limitations are a staple of the criminal law. They effectuate, for example, the Sixth Amendment guarantee of a “speedy trial.” In essence, a defendant is entitled to prepare a defense to the charges, including to call witnesses and present evidence. That right is undermined if the government delays charges so long that evidence is lost and witnesses become unavailable or their memories fade.'

'Obviously, then, the longer a prosecutor delays in charging a case, the higher the prosecutor’s obligation to ensure that all of the discovery it must provide to the defense is promptly disclosed.'

Oh, Bragg's not interested in any of that.

 

'Before Bragg’s predecessor, Cyrus Vance Jr., began the state’s Trump probe, the matter was originally investigated by the United States attorney’s office for the Southern District of New York. The SDNY looked hard at the hush-money caper and opted not to charge Trump. The FEC did not charge him. Vance did not charge him. And Bragg himself decided there was no worthy case.'

'Only after his fellow elected progressive Democrat, James, was lauded by progressive Democrats for suing Trump civilly did progressive prosecutor Bragg abandon his prior (and characteristic) preference to decline prosecution. The Stormy case is absurd, but it enabled him to make history as the first prosecutor in American history to indict a former president.'

'Plainly, however, Bragg did not have his ducks in a row. Even though the pertinent events occurred seven to eight years ago, and even though the SDNY’s investigation was closed nearly six years ago, Bragg waited until the very last minute of an extraordinarily extended statute-of-limitations time frame to bring felony charges (with the misdemeanor limitations period having lapsed years earlier). And although he indicted the case (barely) under the wire, he did not make sufficient efforts to acquire relevant evidence that was in the SDNY’s possession.'

'As Bragg’s court submission concedes, Trump’s defense team issued a trial subpoena to the SDNY for materials in connection with its prosecution of Michael Cohen.'

A perfectly reasonable and timely request. But then not until nearly a year later, 'on March 4, just three weeks before the scheduled trial, the SDNY produced 73,000 pages of records.'

So, Bragg charged this years after the fact, and then waited nearly a year, until 3 weeks before trial to get 73 THOUSAND pages of records, that they needed to provide Trump, and here, 10 days before the case is to start, they have yet to provide it to the Trump defense team? What a disorganized incompetent mess.

Then the day before yesterday, 31,000 more 'pages of records. Bragg concedes not only that this new production appears “to contain materials related to the subject matter of this case,” but that the SDNY has stated that still another production of documents is forthcoming, probably next week.'

Oh, hells bells, there is more? That not only does Trump not have, but Bumbling Bragg doesn't have it, either? Thousands of pages more?

'it was Bragg’s obligation to require relevant discovery materials from his federal counterparts. Remember: This is a case in which Bragg purports to have authority to enforce federal law; how could he responsibly do that absent close coordination with the federal authorities?'

Which clearly is not the case.

 

'Bragg concession means he knew there were discoverable materials that he’d failed to obtain and produce to the defense.'

'Bragg’s submission does not elaborate on what steps he took after he says the SDNY declined to produce records to him. Did he alert the court or the defense? Did he appeal to Main Justice to address the SDNY’s intransigence? '

'seven years after the allegations in the indictment, Bragg still has not obtained and produced the relevant discovery.'

'under New York’s criminal-friendly bail “reforms” in recent years, prosecutors are supposed to make full discovery to defendants — even in violent-crime cases — within 15 days of arraignment on an indictment. If they fail to comply with this deadline, the case can be dismissed. How is it, then, that when the defendant is Trump, it is somehow tolerable that he is still getting discovery nearly a year after being arraigned on alleged crimes that happened seven years ago and that, if they had been reasonably regarded as a single misdemeanor, would never have been charged because the statute of limitations expired almost five years ago?'

 

Yeah, crazy.

• Massive infrastructure spending, so that bridges don't collapse.
• Bringing back manufacturing jobs that Republicans shipped off to their Chinese buddies.
• Bringing inflation down from Trump-caused 9% to below 3%
• Repairing our relationships with international allies.
• Expanding NATO to include some militarily powerful countries, Finland and Sweden.
• Wall Street hitting record highs nearly daily.
• Eliminating junk fees and hidden fees that cost Americans billions each year.
• Making companies like Ticketmaster give you the total cost upfront.
• Having an actual plan to distribute the Covid vaccine, then implementing it flawlessly.
• Getting us out of Bush's forever war, even if it was messy due to Trump's attempted sabotage.
• Unemployment lows that haven't been seen in 50 years.
• More people are working than at any point in America's history.
• Turning America into the world's largest energy producer.
• Historic expansion of benefits and services for Toxic-exposed veterans.
• Lowering the price of insulin to $35 for people on Medicare, soon for everyone.
• First gun violence reduction legislation in 30 years.
• Student debt relief for middle and low income families.
• Most aggressive climate legislation in history.
• More people with health insurance than ever before.
• Pardons for all offenders with simple marijuana possession.

It's SO crazy!!!

 

And now they are also eliminating the judge-shopping tactics that cons have been relying on to avoid facing justice for their crimes.

 

I wish he would. I think he should. If he doesn't they are out nothing for trying and next time it will be worse. But Trump doesn't see it that way. He thinks that successfully serving the American People and improving their real wages, living standards and infrastructure is the best revenge.

Putin said that if they didn't stop attacking the Russian neighborhoods near the border, that he would stop them. Initially he thought he could take the entire country, and clearly he cannot, and doing so would put him on NATO's border, which he wants to avoid, though with Norway and Finland now in NATO he already added far more border with NATO than he wanted. And while obviously cannot take Ukraine, he's dug in around those Russian Neighborhoods that border Russia and he will not be driven out. Ukraine has lost those neighborhoods.

You aren't alone. In fact you are dead center in a major shift occurring in the United State right now.

America's Political Realignment Is Real

Republicans have historically led among the college educated, but in 2022 they narrowly lost this group, as they did in 2020. Now it was claimed that losing this vote would leave the GOP struggling, but, 'Donald Trump isn't struggling. On the contrary: He's been leading President Biden for months. Independents have returned to Trump's column. Trump's gains among non-college-educated, nonwhite voters have compensated for his continued problems with college-educated white voters.'

'American Enterprise Institute Ruy Teixeira, as well as GOP pollster Patrick Ruffini, have storehouses of data that show Democrats losing non-college-educated minority voters—Hispanic voters in particular—to Republicans. Each new survey confirms their findings. The evidence is overwhelming.'

'AEI researcher Nate Moore investigated Trump's growing favorability rating and found that the former president is more popular now than at any point since he left office. The source of this newfound popularity is minority voters. "While his support has ticked up among white and black Americans," Moore wrote this week in The Liberal Patriot, "the share of Hispanic Americans who have a favorable view of Trump has doubled over the last year from around 20 percent to 40 percent."'

'John Burn-Murdoch, chief data reporter for the Financial Times, analyzed election surveys going back to the 1950s. He found that the Democrats' advantage among nonwhite voters is at its lowest point since JFK was president. Black and Hispanic voters are matching their party preferences with their ideological preferences. Fewer self-identified conservative nonwhites vote Democratic for communal reasons.'

Why are they moving toward the GOP? For many, it's probably more that they are moving away from the Dems, for all the reasons you listed.

Folks are voting race and ethnicity less and less and class more and more. The working and Middle Class is moving toward the GOP, because they are moving away from the insanity within the Dems that you recounted.

 

I agree. The voters on both sides of the aisle are fools.

 

Federal government should be banned from spending money on any infrastructure other than its own. Bad thing to do when you can't afford to pay your other bills.

• Bringing back manufacturing jobs that Republicans shipped off to their Chinese buddies.
• Bringing inflation down from Trump-caused 9% to below 3%
• Repairing our relationships with international allies.
• Expanding NATO to include some militarily powerful countries, Finland and Sweden.
• Wall Street hitting record highs nearly daily.
• Eliminating junk fees and hidden fees that cost Americans billions each year.
• Making companies like Ticketmaster give you the total cost upfront.
• Having an actual plan to distribute the Covid vaccine, then implementing it flawlessly.
• Getting us out of Bush's forever war, even if it was messy due to Trump's attempted sabotage.
• Unemployment lows that haven't been seen in 50 years.
• More people are working than at any point in America's history.
• Turning America into the world's largest energy producer.
• Historic expansion of benefits and services for Toxic-exposed veterans.
• Lowering the price of insulin to $35 for people on Medicare, soon for everyone.
• First gun violence reduction legislation in 30 years.
• Student debt relief for middle and low income families.
• Most aggressive climate legislation in history.
• More people with health insurance than ever before.
• Pardons for all offenders with simple marijuana possession.

It's SO crazy!!![/QUOTE]

 

I love every single of these policies.

You don’t want to vote for DEMS. Stay home or vote for the guy who says “ I want to be dictator for one day”.

But here is a simple fact, you vote for Biden or against Biden wouldn’t make any difference. There are more of us, who will vote for Joe Biden.