The Democrats have gone crazy in their thinking and policies

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  1. Endeavor

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    MS-13 is like bigfoot. GOP keep talking about MS13 since 2009. But no one ever seen one.
     
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    here is Trump economy


    • The economy lost 2.9 million jobs. The unemployment rate increased by 1.6 percentage points to 6.3%. Largest job lose by any US president in 100 years.
    • The international trade deficit Trump promised to reduce went up. The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 40.5% from 2016.
    • The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million.
    • The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion.


    GDP

    GDP growth:

    2017: 2.2%
    2018: 2.9%
    2019: 2.3%
    2020: -2.8
     
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    4 years of Trump Kleptocracy and every speech he's made since.
     
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    Afghanistan casualty by President

    Bush - 630
    Obama 1758
    Trump 64
    Biden 13

    Thank you President Biden to have the wisdom to pull out of Afghanistan.
     
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    Show us the specific evidence.
     
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    I wish I could enlighten you folks on the right, and I find it sad that most of you choose such a parochial view of things, but it does seem you have a fundamental misunderstanding (the kind of misunderstanding that propagates the right wing echo chambers) about Critical Race Theory (CRT) and its presence in educational curriculums.

    Firstly, it's important to clarify that CRT is not part of the K-12 education system. Okay? I repeat, CRT between grades 1 through 12 is not taught. Period, end of argument.

    Now then, this theory, like many complex academic frameworks, is primarily discussed within higher education contexts where students and scholars analyze and debate various societal issues through a critical lens.

    In higher education, the pursuit of knowledge spans across a myriad of subjects, including but not limited to comparative religion, history, and the sciences. This diversity in curriculum is not about advocating for particular viewpoints but rather exposing students to a broad spectrum of ideas and perspectives. The goal is to foster critical thinking, allowing students to engage with, question, and form their own understandings about the world.

    Simply put, you are confusing what is taught with 'advocacy' which is a euphemism for the kind of word the right would prefer, i.e., 'brainwashing'. That's what many on the right (perhaps you, as well?) what they really think, and that is sad.

    Your concern seems to suggest that teaching about these subjects somehow equates to promoting a disdain for America or any demographic group, which is a significant misunderstanding of academic intent. Education, especially at the college level, is about challenging students to think deeply and critically about various aspects of our world—including its complexities, its history, and the myriad cultures that inhabit it. This is not advocacy but education.

    To equate the teaching of complex theories and global perspectives with advocacy is to underestimate the intellectual capacity of college students. These students are not passive recipients of information but active participants in their education. They are encouraged to question, debate, and ultimately, to form their own educated perspectives on the subjects they study.

    Asserting that CRT or any other academic subject is about teaching hate is a misrepresentation. It's about understanding the structural and systemic aspects of society, and how these have shaped and continue to shape the world we live in. This is crucial for developing informed citizens who can contribute to a more equitable and understanding society.

    In short, the role of education, particularly at the collegiate level, is to broaden horizons, not to narrow them down to a single perspective. It's about teaching students to think critically and independently about the world around them, which is essential for the health and progress of any democratic society.

    Do you understand? Are we clear, marine1?

    Tsk tsk. My, how the right love their boogeymen, and now it's transgendered people.

    I'm 73, and in my entire life, I think i've met four transgendered persons. This issue, which the right blows completely out of proportion with reality, is hardly an issue at all. But, you won't find anyone on the right being honest about it. I've taken a hard look at restaurants that allow transgendered in bathrooms, and without exception, the bathrooms are always one person per visit type bathrooms. Given that fact, it's a moot point, If you go to a predominantly gay neighborhood, maybe there you will find a restroom that offends you, but they are such a small number,. your worry is totally out of control and out of proportion with reality.

    As for women's sports, many old time liberals such as myself, are against TG fems competing against women, as well. In some sports where it is allowed, they only allow TG fems who were transformed early in their life (under the theory that the treatment has reduced their muscle mass, and strengthened their feminine energy levels comparable to where real females exist at). I think if you study this issue, it's not as bad as you think, though you will find isolated examples that are truly unjust, and there you have my agreement.
    Did you favor all the Republicans in Congress and the Senate who got PPP loans forgiven, to the tune of millions?

    Did you favor all the corporate welfare that currently exist?

    Did you favor tax loopholes for billionaires such that they pay little or no taxes?

    There is a thing called 'hypocrisy' so be careful that that hideous quality does not become you.

    I beleive Biden only extend loan forgiveness to folks below a certain income level, and only upon to a certain amount, not the full value of the loan, and only to those who have been successfully paying on them for a number of years. Upon scrutiny, it's not anywhere near as bad as you are painting this false picture.
    Uh no, America's love of guns, spawning gun fetishing and gun worshiping, and the gun culture, like a disease, has grappled this nation and that is what has made it an unsafe nation, and the right, far more than the left, has contributed to this phenomenon.
    American's against each other?

    Behold the words of Donald Trump, the right's nominee:

    "The radical ideology attacking our country advances under the banner of social justice. But in truth, it would demolish both justice and society,"

    "It would transform justice into an instrument of division and vengeance and turn our free society into a place of repression, domination and exclusion. They want to silence us, but we will not be silenced."\

    "They (migrants) are poisoning the blood of our country".

    “We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country"

    These are the words of Donald Trump, and now, they appear to be your words, or words that are close to it, and you have the gall to sit there and lecture us on who is divisive?

    Good for you to vote for Nikki, but your cohorts aren't voting for her and you, of course, are wrong about so many things.
     
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    And you think the guy who thinks he can grab female genitals because he's a 'star' is the champion of the little guy?

    Do you see any MAGA folks at Mar A Lago, or at Trump Tower?

    "I like people who weren't captured"

    I got plenty more, if you need it.

    Give me a break.
     
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    I hope "Bigfoot" doesn't step in you some day. MS-13 is very real and very violent. More of their same stripe are crossing the border everyday. They are organizing shoplifting rings in New York City. They were were some of the people who were trying to kick the politic officers in the head on Times Square recently.

    Keeping this human garbage out of the country is a lot easier than dealing with it after it gets here. That is especially true since George Soros is funding DAs who will let them commit just about an crime they want with no consequences.

    Want to go to Washington, DC? Carjacking is at an all time high. Do you think it's limited to the poor? Guess again. Current and former government officials have been victims. One of them was shot stone cold dead by one of these people "No one has ever seen."
     
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    All of this happened happened after Covid, but the Democrats keep publicizing these loaded statistics to those who are too naive to realize it.
     
  11. Endeavor

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    Are you saying Trump was not POTUS when COVID hit ?
     
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    Aha shoplifter are “very violent” ? You are right , these shoplifter must be very violent , or Republican wouldn’t scream about these petty theft for last 12 years.
     
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    In your world Trump was just a helpless bystander who couldn't do a single thing about Covid.

    In the real world he allowed 40,000 people into the U.S. on direct flights from China during March, 2020, with zero quarantine (we didn't have testing yet). He just let them go freely into our population, free to infect everyone they got close to.
     
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    And you are saying the Covid was Trump’s fault, which is a bogus assumption. If anyone is to blame it’s the Chinese who let the virus out of the lab, and Dr. Fauci who allocated public funds for enhanced transmission research.

    Was George W. Bush responsible for 9/11 because he was in office at the time? Probably solely because he was a Republican president, using your logic.
     
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    So shoplifting okay? If you are a progressive Democrat, it is.
     
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    And if he had kept them out, you would have labeled him as a racist and xenophobic. For you, there was not correct policy because it’s Trump.
     
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    COVID outbreak is not Trump’s fault.

    But that doesn’t change the fact that under Trump administration most jobs lost then in past 100 years.
     
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    No they are not ok , but the way GOP/ Fox news and conservative media portrait MS13 , it sound like some blood trusty scary monster devouring USA.
     
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    I wouldn't bother trying to discuss anything. I commend you for trying though.

    Anybody who attributes covid related economic numbers to trump has no credibility and should not be acknowledged in any way. Democrats wanted our economy to suffer even more than it did so blaming trump for a bad economy in 2020 is hypocrisy of the highest order. People like this can't be expected to have rational discussions.
     
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    You still don’t have a valid point. Trump was not responsible for Covid and given the advice he got from experts, like Dr. Fauci, the shutdowns and job losses were the result. Things were better in states like Florida where Ron DeSantis got the economy going quicker.

    I’d advise you to give it a rest about how everything that happened after Covid hit was Trump’s fault. His personality defects should give you plenty to slam him about.
     
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    So you think MS-13 is a wonderful community organization, like the Rotary Club. Lots of New Yorkers on Long Island will disagree with you. Why do you feel compelled to defend MS-13. Is one of your family a member?
     
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    MS-13 wasn't enough for Bribed Joe and the Open Borders Democrats, now we are looking incoming Haitians, right after we find that Haitian cannibal gangs are in control of Haiti.

    Haitian Migrant Charged w/Raping Teen in US on Federal Program

    WORCESTER —' A 26-year-old man charged with raping a 15-year-old girl at a Rockland hotel sheltering migrant families entered the country “through a federal program,”' Governor Maura Healey said Friday.

    'Cory B. Alvarez pleaded not guilty to a charge of child rape during an arraignment in Hingham District Court on Thursday. He was ordered held without bail, to surrender his passport, and to have no contact with the girl, Plymouth District Attorney Timothy J. Cruz’s office said.'

    'Alvarez’s arrest quickly intensified the debate over the state’s policy of housing migrant families in hotels and motels, and the safety measures in place to protect them' from felonious migrants.

    'Representative David DeCoste, a Norwell Republican whose district includes Rockland, said the state had “failed this young girl.”'

    Indeed

    Gov Healey 'said the incident “speaks somewhat to the issue that states are having to deal with now in terms of the mass numbers coming across the borders and into our states.”'

    And they plan no changes in security. They care no more for this poor young girl than they care about Laken Riley or all the murdered, raped and beheaded women and children in the Gaza invasion of Israel.

    Americans are more and more repelled by the insanity and lack of respect for the basic rights of others that seems to pervade way too much of the Left.
     
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    Your ilk can always justify any rancid behaviour in your own minds.

    "I've got no excuse for Trump's actions, so I'll just turn it around and put words into your mouth that you would call it racist". That's the weak debating skills of the low information voters - the poorly educated who Trump loves so much. Can you feel his love?
     
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    Dems are losing the Working and Middle Class

    Here’s how Republicans can get minority voters to abandon the Democrats.

    'I propose that Republicans, or GOP-aligned groups, start an education and outreach program aimed at those immigrants, explaining to them what Democrats actually support.'

    'It should include pictures of teenage girls whose breasts have been removed as they transition to being male, with their mothers standing proudly by them (these pictures are already out there on social media, circulated by the pro-transition crowd).'

    'It should include Democratic officials’ own words about removing police from urban neighborhoods and letting social workers deal with violent crime.'

    'And it should include environmentalists’ vows to get rid of air conditioning, automobiles, cheap electricity and inexpensive housing — you know, the kinds of things immigrants come to America to get.'

    Enough of the madness.
     
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    Yep, “my ilk” gets tired of guys who invent stuff and play Monday morning quarterback. There are plenty of bad stuff you can say about Trump without making stuff up or second guessing what he did at the very beginning of the pandemic.
     

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