The state is now buying guns for Teachers

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    How is the army trained to use firearms?

    Do you know or are you just saying words?
     
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    My daughter taught at a public school several years ago. After a close call with a former student, she & some of her colleagues, along with about 50 parents lobbied the board to enroll the school in the county's Armed Response training. They were soundly rejected. A leaked email from one of the board members characterized the armed response crowd as "idiots who need to be sterilized." But they reprogrammed all the key cards, so there's that.

    My daughter has since moved on to a private school in the same county, and is now among the armed teachers/staff at her school. All who volunteered agreed to criminal background checks, and two psych evals - one by a shrink who consults for the Sheriff's Dept, and another who has no connection to law enforcement. Then they underwent intensive training, portions of which are more rigorous than even the Sheriff's deputies are put through; partly because it's specific to the layout of the school. One of my daughter's colleagues washed out - not because he didn't make the cut, but because the live fire drills persuaded him he wasn't cut out for it.

    Armed teachers are not intended to be "the answer." They are the last resort when all other precautions have failed. To those of you who think this is an exceptionally bad idea: don't you wish someone like my daughter had been onsite at Uvalde, Columbine, Sandy Hook, VA Tech, Parkland, et al? If not, why?
     
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  3. Polydectes

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    Well then only an idiot would register. So at best it's completely useless. At worst it's still imprison people who didn't commit crime.

    That's exactly why people object to it and it is just to lock up lawful citizens. Or imprisoned dissidents.

    Maybe you should learn to speak German.
     
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    What makes your guess any more valid?
     
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    As well as all the instructors that teach proper, safe and RESPONSIBLE gun usage and ownership.
     
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  6. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    the nation isn't gangsters are. If you adjust the violent crime statistic to eliminate gang related activity the US is the safest nation in the world. No it's either police corruption or incompetence that allows gangsters to run amok I think it's a combination of the two.
    no again it's not part of a culture it's part of a counterculture particularly gangster culture.
    to use defensively should you need to. Is that not obvious what do you think a weapon does?
    that's like someone saying you shouldn't have fire extinguishers because they're building burning down all the time.

    People carry fire extinguishers in their cars even if they've never seen a car fire.

    The point of a weapon is obvious.


    it's not a violent country within the country there's a violent subculture probably in cahoots with.

    I think you're being poisoned against your fellow man to excuse this subculture.
    When security shows up after your dad if they show up at all what use is that?
     
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    There are four basic rules of gun safety and gun safety is common sense.

    Do not put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to fire.... Keep your booger Hook off of it.

    Never point a gun at anything you're not willing to destroy.

    Know your Target and what is behind it.... If you miss your target that bullet is going somewhere.

    Assume every gun is loaded.


    If a person follows these four basic rules, that will keep them safe and they don't need any sort of specialized military or police training to do so.

    Acting like the average citizen is not capable of observing these four common Sense rules, without some sort of specialized training is nothing but an appeal to authoritarianism.
     
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    Yup, the police state dreams of the far right!
     
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    It's the far left that thinks only the police should have guns and yet they want to defund them and reduce their training.
     
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    The United States has the highest gun murder rate in the world.

    Nothing to see here.

    You have no way to “adjust violent crime statistics” , and thus no way to support your claim that the US is the safest country in the world.

    Mose people outside the US would laugh out loud at your claim, too.

    The US has always been a violent country, and it remains a violent country now.

    Gun nuttery wants it to be easy for anyone to get a gun. The munitions industry wants it that way.
     
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    I guess the “far left” includes the entire rest of the planet.
     
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    I don't know if it's blatant disinformation or if it's just misinformation but you should probably do a bit of research before making false statements.




    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...-30/how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-world-on-guns




    Among 204 countries analyzed by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, the U.S. came in 20th for the highest rate of firearm deaths in 2019. Americans died due to firearms at a rate of 11.3 per 100,000 people that year.

    Among the 40 largest countries in the world in 2019, the United States ranked fourth after Colombia, Brazil and Mexico in terms of having the highest rate of deaths due to firearms.
     
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    Turn off the TV and stop believing everything it tells you. Not everyone around the world is afraid of guns
     
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    Preparing teachers to defend themselves is not "dismissing". Knowing that teachers may be armed is a deterrent. How many police stations are the target for these mass murderers?

    How would being armed hinder their ability to teach?

    The sudden interest in reducing wasteful spending in our education system is refreshing. We are still paying big money for text books in the information age. Text is free.

    Knowing that teachers may be armed is a deterrent. I support this 100%. Its about time our children are as safe as politicians.
     
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    oh you can't murder guns they're not alive so that's gibberish.

    I would say probably 95 to 99% of this violence is gang related. So focusing on everything but the problem seems to be a stupid idea.
    you're expressing a political bias towards people here. You want to blame the wrong people for this violence because of your political position.

    That isn't the solution it's an anti-solution.

    The solution would be hold the police accountable for the job they do. They need to go after the gangsters.
     
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    So you're talking about marksmanship. Something that would really only apply in battlefield. Why would civilians need battlefield training?

    Is it just because you want a fabricate obstacles to prevent people from exercising their rides because that's what it seems like.

    If you lose your gun defensively you tend not to have time to aim. You don't need to because typically the situation which you would use your gun defensively would take place within 21feet.

    I challenge your ignorance because it is anti-knowledge.
     
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    Dude seems you can't even read the links. Here's more, but I guess you know more than them. :)

    https://safety.army.mil/MEDIA/Risk-...8/ArticleID/6219/Understanding-Weapons-Safety
     
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    For those people who think that just registering guns leads to all sorts of conspiracies, I have some news, those people are not that important. :)
     
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    Weapon safety for civilians is between three or four rules depending on what you learned.

    So the training is read a postcard.

    Again civilians aren't in a battlefield.

    It's not necessary to read the links you provide because it is punitive to try and pretend that civilians need battlefield training.

    I'm going to continue to challenge your ignorance.
     
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    He said specifically registered guns so you can be arrested for selling it.

    The point of registering firearms is to arrest people who aren't involved in the crime.

    What other point could there be? I'm all ears.
     
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    Maybe people should stop giving/selling/loaning firearms to felons. Without consequences, this will continue.

    But that’s what you righties want, isn’t it. After all, the corrupt, criminal NRA could give jack squat about the 2nd amendment so long as gun sales keep going up.
     
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    There are consequences already. I just don't think this scenario is a very common one.
    Lol what is this 1992?
     
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    The point of registering firearms is to arrest people who aren't involved in the crime.
    Why this site allows such obtuse conspiracies is beyond me, 2nd time, you are not that important. !!!!
     
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    Can't even accept the reality of the US army's own link. :)

    Maybe Alex Jones has an answer for you.
     
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