The state is now buying guns for Teachers

We can buy guns for teachers but not pay them well or make sure children have materials.

 

you like the idea of hoping some nut case who is intent on premeditated mass murder won't force his way into your class room and you are defenseless to do anything?

Let me tell you how this works since I have been through both federal law enforcement active shooter training and have been both a student and an instructor at the leading private training facility in the USA for dealing with active shooters. 1) when there is an alert to an active shooter in the school, the authorities are notified ASAP 2) teachers are instructed to shelter in their classrooms with their students, and barricade the entry to the classrooms. 3) armed teachers are NOT instructed to go and hunt for the active shooter but rather to use their weapon to guard the entry of their classroom.

 

Does "bodily autonomy" implicate the body of another living being?

I have question for you-how many abortions do you think are due to

1) girls being raped
2) medical necessity-either the mother will suffer major medical issues or the fetus is severely compromised
3) incest
4) a failure of properly deployed contraceptive protocols

vs

no effort to use #4?

if we study nature, self perseveration is the single most important thing-reproduction being second.

 

Why do you think I needed to know how this works?
I know what to do in the event of an active shooter, and have had to do it.
The last time the biggest problem was......................parents showing up at the school, some of them armed. Now I tell mine to tell their parents not to come to the school when we go on lock down. It only makes things worse in many aspects.
IMO, the benefits are outweighed greatly by the detriments on the subject of having teachers armed in the classroom.
Could an armed teacher stop a school shooter? Possibly, but I think the chances of an "oops" are far greater.
By the way, none of the students want armed teachers either.

 

Once embedded with consciousness, absolutely

There isn’t a ton of data on abortions caused by these, numbers I can find show that around 450,000 women sexually assaulted per year (9.2 out of 10 are women). In addition 42-59% of fetuses are not viable.

Both of those are huge numbers

Contraceptives have a 4-9% failure rate

I don’t think the world will benefit from forcing women (or men) to have multiple babies because they are too irresponsible to use protection.

Correct, but animals also kill off their offspring if they are not able to be cared for — or sometimes just for a snack. I don’t know if that’s the best example

 

Here's the ironic part: Many of the people who are anti abortion people are also against contraceptives. Yes, they are a minority, but they are a loud minority.

 

This thread reminds me of that movie "A Clockwork Orange".

So many dystopian rightie viewpoints with draconian propositions to solve all the wrong problems.

 

I couldn't care really. Not my family, not my kids. I just know that most of the ranting about teachers being armed comes from anti gun types who don't understand how this works

 

sort of like lefties wanting to disarm honest people and pretending that will stop felons from engaging in mass murder

 

I don't deny that, I have little use-if any-for the bible thumpers who only pretend to care about "innocent life" but are really motivated by an antiquated view of sex

 

For the record, I am not anti gun, I'm anti no gun restrictions. I think it's fine for people to own guns, but I also would like to see more control and all guns registered to one specific owner. I love to shoot guns and have owned a variety over the years, but none presently. I do not like to kill anything larger than a wolf spider. Guns are specifically made for killing, with the small exception of target shooting guns, which really are just modified versions of the killing design.
Sometimes humans have to kill, either prey for food, threats like a bear or other wild animal, or, the worst and most dangerous animal, other humans.
Hopefully as we progress as a society the need for killing will become less and less, but that won't happen unless we get some kind of handle on the gun problem.
The vast majority of gun owners are responsible and mean no outward harm. It's the idiots and nutballs who don't need to have guns available. It's difficult to differentiate who is who. But there is no debate that guns make the nutballs a lot more efficient and dangerous.

 

registration is only useful for subsequent confiscation every gun banning group wants registration,, that alone is why any sane supporter of gun rights opposes it.

 

That's a rightie distortion of reasonable gun licensing rules. For example, since 25% of the firearms obtained by felons are thru family members( "honest" people) there is clearly a regulation/enforcement issue of laws that are already on the books.

 

what does "gun licensing" do other than violate the constitution

 

No, registration is useful to know who to lock up when a legally purchased firearm shows up at a crime scene after an "honest" person gives/loans/sells their weapon
to a felon.

 

see you prove my point. if a crime was committed with the use of a gun, the person to be arrested is the person who commits the crime. You want to make gun ownership a strict liability offense even if the transfer was legal.

 

See , you prove my point. It IS a felony to transfer a gun to a felon. So, yes, the gun owner gets arrested for an assist along with the perpetrator.

 

so A felon is busted for using a gun to stick up a bank. "where'd you get the gun" is a common first 15 minutes of interrogation question". we don't need licensing to accomplish that. IT is NOT a felony to transfer a gun to a felon. It is a felony to knowingly transfer a gun to someone you KNOW or SHOULD know is a felon. And most felons get guns from people who know they are felons

 

I'm not opposed to arming teachers, but the criticisms of those who think teachers are all out there part of some insidious plot to brainwash all our kids to like gay and trans people now being perfectly fine handing out weapons to those same teachers is valid.

 

I disagree. It is a way to keep guns out of the hands of those who would use them for no good.
I would think supporters of gun rights would want that to reduce gun violence. Consider this: if no 'bad guys' had guns, 'good guys' wouldn't need them.
Highlighted in red: That is not true, imo. That is a fear that has been stoked into people.

 

how does it do that-there is already 18 USC 922 that makes it a serious offense for those people to be caught with a gun. yet the left has been opposed to actually enforcing that law. the person who is causing problems is the felon CAUGHT with the gun. and when the NRA and the GOP pushed for a program to prosecute felons at the federal level (rather than under state laws) leftwing groups such as the NAACP and the ACLU complained that so many black males were getting hard time for being felons in possession. Can you find a case where forcing legitimate owners to be licensed has had any value? Canada scrapped part of their licensing. Hawaii has had it for years and there is no evidence it has been used to solve crimes

 

Holy shitte ! Ok, this conversation is OVER !

 

why don't you actually look up the law. Then you can apologize to me for you being ignorant or the law

 

Like Austrailia last year, this dude with a gun goes into a school last year, starts shooting, has a change of heart and sits there armed and waits on the police to arrive. Can you imagine how many would've died without his change of heart. Maybe 3m in training for teachers isn't a bad thing even in Australia.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-68432923

https://www.theeducatoronline.com/k...hooting-happen-in-an-australian-school/280347
Australia's school safety according to this article isn't prepared. They discuss, knowing exits and or hiding. I pray your more prepared than the article suggest

 

Here I will help you out

It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person, including as a juvenile—
indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922