Thoughts on states banning gender-affirming care for trans youth

Who? Adults make choices all the time - babies are forced, let them grow up and chose for themselves

 

Giving them puberty blockers prevents them from growing up

 

prevents their bodies from changing, they still grow up

Circumcisions on babies changes them before they are old enough to decide for themselves

 

Circumcision does not alter a boy so much that they are no longer dependent on drugs the rest of their life. Nor does it permanently ruin their life. Nor does it leave scars. And it even has a valid medical value as it does prevent certain illnesses. LINK: Circumcision: Benefits, Risks, and Procedure (webmd.com)

 

some it does, sadly people have committed suicide over their parents ruining them via Circumcision - it has risks, don't force the procedure on babies

 

Those few, very few, cases happen due to a mistake being made with the circumcision. Not through intentionally cutting off major body parts and/or using chemicals to alter the natural chemistry of the body. Far more die by suicide due to regretting transitioning than with circumcision.

 

we should not force procedures like that on babies, let them decide for themselves when older - cutting off the private parts of babies is sick

the teenage adult made the choice, the baby did not

 

Like I proved, there's actually a medical reason to do so, both in the effects, and the fact that the older one gets the more dangerous the procedure. And no private parts are intended to be cut off, just some excess skin that has absolutely no negative affect.

And the only "teenage adults" there are starts at eighteen years of age. After that no one cares what they do.

 

elective procedures should not be force on a babies privates

 

Sorry, don't know a single guy or girl who is upset he or her husband got a circumcision. =)

 

many men and women are upset they were forced to get a circumcision

 

The body change that is black cord is the epitome of growing up.

 

You answered your own question: "patient guardians".
In California, your child can be removed from your home and given "gender affirming care" without your permission.
As a parent, your objection is enough to have your child removed from your custody.

 

I think the better comparisons here would be getting a tattoo or consenting to being sexually fondled. There are some things in society that we consider children too young/immature to be able to understand the long term implications of or social nature of, so we don't allow them to make these decisions until they are old enough. Surgically/chemically transitioning gender sure seems to fit that list to me. And no, parents being ok with it shouldn't be an excuse. That isn't the child giving informed mature consent.

 

That depends on how you define the function of the penis. And if the function of the penis isn't at all about sexual pleasure, and only about ability to pee or reproduce, then you may be opening a discussion about some forms of female genital mutilation as well.

Is the clitoris neccessary for function?

 

The answer is to have only one bathroom, and to have fully enclosed stalls, instead of those weird ones with open tops and bottoms and cracks in the doors you can look through, that are so common in the USA.

 

It is possible that you have that backwards.

If nobody noticed trans people using the bathroom of their choice for decades, then they must have put in great effort to pass as the other gender. Then perhaps something changed in the culture and the behaviour of some trans people so that people did now notice, prompting the politicians to think they could use it as an issue to win votes with?

 

huh?

 

they know this lessens the success of future treatments, reduces harm to patient and allows them to wait until they are an adult to decide, why would the right do this?

 

says you, I call it genital mutilation, you may support it, say that part they are chopping off is not important, but it is still what it is

the worst part is It's forced on a baby without consent

 

This.

Prior to the trans movement everyone knew they existed, but they didn't push themselves onto society. The ones that were known did all that they could to "blend in" with the sex that they truly believed that they are. Then came the homosexual movement. They demanded to be recognized, not to push themselves on people (though many thought it was that) but to be able to marry the ones that they loved. They won that. Not long afterwards other groups started to demand to be recognized. Including trans folks. Only these groups didn't just want to be recognized. They wanted to be affirmed. This bled into the homosexual movement and then they all started to demand that they be affirmed. That they be taught about. That society start conforming to them. That they had a RIGHT to be called what they thought they were.

So, in essence the catalyst was the homosexual movement winning their case. While "fighting" for their cause for SSM (same sex marriage) I always supported them. When those that were opposed complained that priests would have to perform SSM's I denied that such would happen. After all, freedom of religion and freedom of association...right? Sadly I was mistaken on that. I never thought the movement would actually demand such as they denied that they would, and instead some actually did go to court to get it done. Partly due to extremists demanding politicians put them on the non-discrimination lists, which happened.

Do I regret "opening the floodgates" that led to what we have now? No. Homosexuals most certainly deserve to live as they are and get married to the ones that they love. And I'm not going to fault them en masse for the actions of a few in their group. But none the less, it was the catalyst imo. That was the "change in culture" that you mention.

And frankly I still don't care if transpeople want to change their "gender" through cosmetic surgery. All that I ask is that you don't push it onto me, demand that I call you what you think you are, and for gods sakes....STAY AWAY FROM THE CHILDREN. I don't even really care if you want to do sports as the sex you believe you are...again as long as you don't push it on others. Which means you get your own sports section. Not a part of the female or male division. But one that allows both genders to compete against each other. Because then all are in agreement to compete against each other. Not forced to compete against you.

 

Actually the definition in dictionary’s says that.

 

link? Where it says, "Foreskin is not necessary nor an important part of the penis."

 

Were you under the mistaken impression that your post made any kind of sense?

 

This is imminently reasonable to me, and I believe it used to be the liberal position, with the caveat that by "stay away from the chldren" I would mean don't push them towards transitioning or flaunt sexual things at them. I do stand up for people are trans who are teachers or otherwise work with chldren who aren't pushing such an agenda onto them.