Trumps great push to reopen schools

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    "In perhaps the most important difference between the two pandemics of the 21st century, H1N1 illnesses responded well to anti-viral drugs already used to treat the flu. People in close contact with someone who caught H1N1 were commonly given the drugs as a precaution, limiting its spread. In 2009, Missouri had a stockpile of 600,000 doses of such drugs and received another 200,000 from the federal government. There is no approved treatment for COVID-19."

    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-h1n1-flu-covid-pandemics-response.html
     
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    ^^^ Bizarre/incomprehensible gibberish. Good lord...
     
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    The COVID Hoax Cult isn't interested in facts.

    They're interested in tearing society down & impoverishing everyone on behalf on the kleptocracy.

    Useful idiots.
     
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    the land down under had punitive masking up, locking down and social distancing. All of the things that statists demand be done. The outcome................lockdown 2.0 because masking up does jack ship as does "social distancing"

    Masking up is nothing more than statists trying to appear as if they are doing something and those who cannot think for themselves, they simply fall in line.

    Wash your hands, don't cough on others and stop picking your darn nose or rubbing your eyes. If you fear for your health, then stay home
     
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    Again and again this nonsense about death rate as counter reason for mask requirement and so on ...
    The ignorance behind it ... and above all these desperate attempts to take action against all Corona measures, to trivialize it and all the like ... is really ridiculous!

    What matters is the rate of infection and the speed with which a virus spreads ... AND ... the number of sick people who require medical treatment. Only then does it matter how much they die!

    Do I have to explain the sense of the mask requirement for the 7,599 time and what is it about? Seriously?

    OK...
    The virus spreads mainly through the so-called droplet infection. This means that if you talk, cough, sneeze and the like, then you spread the virus through saliva etc.
    Without any form of mask or visor in front of the face, the range of the droplet infection is around 2 to 3 meters.
    With any mask, the range is halved!
    From the time someone is infected until when the disease breaks out, it takes around 2 weeks (+/- a few days) ... but from the time someone is infected you can infect other people without knowing that you are infected!

    Every health system in a country has a limit to where it still works ... the number of hospitals, doctors, staff and the often necessary ICU beds is not infinite!

    Woe if this limit is reached ... in whole or in part, for example in terms of the number of ICU beds!
    Let's say a hospital has a capacity for 20 ICU beds and without a pandemic these are used accordingly for people who need them because of all possible illnesses or injuries.
    Now, in addition to these normal cases, there are still many sick people due to the pandemic, who also need an ICU bed ... possibly more than the 20 ICU beds, what now?
    The other hospitals in the area are also full and have no free capacities ... so the doctors will have to start playing God, because they decide who gets an ICU bed and who doesn't, regardless of whether a person with a pandemic, a heart attack or a serious traffic accident!

    I don't believe anyone in this forum would want that! And all those who shrug their shoulders here idiotically will only shrug their shoulders until it affects them or a family member who is unlucky and doesn't get an ICU bed, which he actually needs!

    A mask helps to prevent this collapse. And if students do not have to wear a mask with social distancing and that is strictly monitored, then they can quickly become infected. Yes, they usually don't get sick at all or only slightly sick, but they can then infect everyone else at home!

    So mask requirement is not about to prevent to get infected, but to make it lesser possible that I can infect others during this time were I can be infected, but I don't know it and not being sick!
     
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    Donf you have a poster of trump to be admiring instead of peddling your QAnon conspiracy theories.
     
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    Pretty much.

    The fear mongering over the deadly impact of the ChiFlu in decades to come is also part of the COVID Hoax Cult narrative, and is appalling nonsense; Russiagate 2.0 stuff.
     
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    ^^^ Ironic projection.

    Cultists often see others as cultists also.
     
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    Under no circumstances do this again, and I'd suggest reading the forum rules while you're at it.
     
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    Let me correct your content. "Actual facts that will happen" are known as predictions. Perhaps children should be locked in a room where they can't interface with anyone? Should we cower in fear and wait to die? Does your bullshit change reality.
     
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    Don't give these folks any ideas! :eek:
     
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    that is a no-no

    also, please explain how Trump created the virus

    I understand that orange man is bad but if he is as dumb as you all claim, how did he invent a virus?
     
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    for a virus that is less deadly than TB or other maladies yet for some reason, we need to change how we deal with viruses?

    Please look to australia. Lockdown 2.0 because lockdowns/masking up etc doesn't work yet they are doing it again
     
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    COVID Hoax Cult narrative ...???

    Over 5.2 million people infected and over 167,000 people died to it are a hoax???

    Man ... The last epidemic or other contagious disease in the USA with more deaths etc. was the Spanish flu from 100 years ago!

    But COVIDIOT and US President Donald Trump still believe in the disappearance of the virus. The economy will soon recover and "the virus will in a sense just go away at some point," he told Fox Business television.
    Really ... the guy is stupid without end and those who believe him are just as stupid!

    But maybe you should just stop all reports, all counting of new infections and deaths, at least not report in public anymore ... just tell the population often enough that everything will be fine and the virus is gone and then even the last idiot in the USA will believe it ?

    There is always talk of conspiracies and deep state and evil political elite in Corona ...
    The biggest conspiracy is trying to downplay everything!
     
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    And why?
    The only pandemic / epidemic which hit the US harder as Corona in matter of death and infected was Spanish Flu 100 years ago! Actually ... the wording Spanish flu is incorrect, because it came from the USA - Kansas and so American Flu will be correct.

    And do you know the reasons for the 2nd wave in Australia too, eh? Have you reasearched about the reasons?
     
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    Yes - the most dangerous mass delusion since Nazism.

    No, and did 167k die from it? Please support this claim with extensive documentation for each passing - thanks!

    Irrelevant.

    Childish name calling. Viruses come and go, and have co-existed with mammals for millions of years.

    The conspiracy mongering is as dangerous as Nazism, yes, so cessation of this dangerous hoax would be well advised.

    Yes - the COVID Hoax is EXTREMELY dangerous, and is an outgrowth of other extremely dangerous/destructive Democrat conspiracy theories.
     
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    I could be like trumpers and make some wild conspiracy theory like trump was using chemical warfare on China which severely backfired..... but I am not qAnon those kind of stories belong to those terrorist.
    I say that for a few reasons. While trump did not create the virus he is sure responsible for the massive amounts of deaths that happened. How many who really knows but his unwillingness to sse what was right before his eyes a while before it hit America is what cost us precious time. You might echo him and say to the effect he closed flights from China might even say to the objection of dems.
    To that I will say trump is not the dems he is supposed to be president. And flights from China wasnt a full lockdown ppl Americans could still fly home no 14 day lockdown no test. Who knows how many ppl brought it over that way. However the worst came from the EU which hit the ne and is still going all around the states (the virus mutated when it hit Europe that's how we know where it came from) when trump did the Europe ban it was way too late but even if he got it in before I doubt it would have done much good
    We had no testing. Trump refused tests that WHO offered us. Even if as trump proclaimed that they weren't all that good at least they would have been a bridge until we got our own.
    But it wasnt until the stock market crashed due to uncertainty and mixed messages of trump saying it's nothing but everyone else saying different did trump actually see that it was a problem.
    Once trump woke up he still didnt take any kind of lead until massive amounts of ppl were dying and the states pleading with him to use the defense production act.
    This virus needed a national response because the virus doesnt know state lines or the color of your skin or even what political party you are in (I say that last one because the rumor is that trump didnt care as much because it was hitting blue states)
    There is more things he did but I have veered enough off your question. Due to trumps ineptness with the virus is why I call it that. Plus I know it gets under the skin of trump supporters. Plus to add to that we mainly spread the virus to Latin America.....

    Trump virus has a better tone..
     
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    Lol yes the whole world is just backing up the democratic hoax...

    Ps maybe if you say it a few more times you might even believe it huh.
     
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    I highly doubt that you get under the skin of people who support Trump. It's called politics and politics has become a team sport. Obviously you are on team Statist.

    I find humor in folks such as yourself who politicize a virus. A Democrat would have made no difference because what has been shown is that lockdowns and masking up are ineffective. Australia is again trying that for the second time. The virus will mutate, perhaps worse, perhaps weaker. The best that we can do is to grow immunities until such time as science learns more. Even then, those with comorbities are at risk much like with other viruses and diseases.

    You seem to subscribe to the theory that the appearance of doing something is more important than productive measures. Masking up and lockdowns gives the govt an appearance of doing something, albeit ineffective.
     
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    Nonsense.

    Well, the COVID Hoax IS the most dangerous mass delusion since Nazism - is that what you mean?
     
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    sure, because if lockdowns and masking up were an abject failure, do it again. It is the way of govt. Appearances of doing something is far more important than rational actions. This virus is going to do what it's gong to do. Masking up won't stop it nor will cratering the economy
     
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    Actually you are wrong. I dobt feel another lockdown is needed and havent felt there should have been since we ended lockdowns
    I do feel that we opened some businesses too soon like bars but I cant understand the push since the owners were hurting so much. However I feel we should still avoid large gatherings when possible until we do have a vaccine that works. I was not really In favor of schools opening due to it not being a necessity since they can do it remotely.
    Like I said what's another 3 to 6 months of doing it remotely how will that hurt if it could save even a few lives it would be worth it. Ya kids wont get that one on one interaction and some moms or dads or grandparents wont be able to work but at least the virus will have a way less chance coming home.
     

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