Unarmed woman is shot by Police in Capitol. The People Who Scream ‘Police Brutality’ Don’t Care.

I'm not

They said it was peaceful, and you're moving the goalpost to demand that it was "100% peaceful", as if there is a difference while there is no difference.

You only say that, to claim it is all a conspiracy and pure coincidence that Donald showed up minutes before the cops beat the protesters away... as if he wouldn't have a problem moving through that crowed to get a picture taken. You're not convincing anybody.

 

We already agree that Donald told his known violent far right supporters -who previously openly agreed to do what Donald told them to do- to fight like hell or else lose your country, and so they did. That is all the prove needed for Donald to be complicit in that hellish fight for an insurrection.

I don't recall them Dems giving a speech to violent groups like Antifa and tell them to fight and have trials by combat.
We all know the GOP did.

I raised the bar to ... that cops have a problem shooting white fascists attacking them, while have no problem shooting a black man fleeing.

 

Then he is no different to the Minneapolis Police Chief. You're correct when you say that "the Minneapolis Police Chief wasn't present when Chauvin murdered his victim." And the Park Police Police Chief wasn't present when these protesters were cleared!

Your sources don't say that "IT" was peaceful! They say that peaceful protesters were cleared - which is a FACT!

It's simple: It's POSSIBLE that the cops are part of a huge conspiracy to cover everything up by lying about violent protesters, but this remains your conspiracy theory!

Did you mean to say that Donald showed up minutes AFTER the cops beat the protesters away?

 

I never agreed to that. He told a crowd of people to fight like hell. You're acting as if the majority of the crowd were violent far right wingers!

And I'm sure that your only problem with what Trump said was the word "fight!" I'm sure that you would have been totally okay with what he said if only he didn't use the word!

Your opinion is not proof, no matter how much you want it to be!

I don't recall Republicans doing that either. Both sides are innocent of this!

What the hell does "trials by combat" have to do with Trump?

Doesn't change the fact that you agree that cops don't have a problem shooting BLACK AND WHITE MEN fleeing!

 

Seriously doubt the Min. police chief ordered Chauvin to put use his knee for +9 minutes to lynch an unarmed black man who was not hurting anybody, while I got my doubts about what park police chief ordered his men to do. Seems rather logical that he was fully aware that his own men were going out there in riot gear to confront a peaceful protest. So he got every reason to be view this all bias, while he let all the audio recordings disappear. Your comparison is just wack.

I've been saying that, and you're moving the goalpost to demand that it was "100% peaceful"

Of course

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ty’-don’t-care.583573/page-64#post-1072649946

 

WTF? You're the one making comparisons, you tell me.

 

You don't think that this case warranted the same level of questions as the Michael Brown shooting? Are you actually one of those people who thinks that Brown was murdered?

 

And I seriously doubt that the Park Police Police Chief ordered his men to violently clear totally peaceful protesters who were not hurting anybody and totally complying with police orders.

Plus, your original argument was that "the Minneapolis Police Chief wasn't present when Chauvin murdered his victim." Why did you mention this if you acknowledge that the Park Police Police Chief was not present at this protest? They were BOTH not present at each event! So no difference!

OF COURSE! What's the problem with that?

What "audio recordings?"

Your sources don't say that "IT" was peaceful! They say that peaceful protesters were cleared - which is a FACT!

It's simple: It's POSSIBLE that the cops are part of a huge conspiracy to cover everything up by lying about violent protesters, but this remains your conspiracy theory!

This remains your conspiracy theory!

 

My sources say it did happen and got the video evidence to back it up. All you got is the opinion of the culprit of the one who undoubtingly ordered his men to clear them out. That makes him being bias and would be incriminating himself if he admitted he ordered to remove peaceful protesters.

So we got a cop who claims the protesters were not peaceful, while you claim he wasn't even there to know that.

The ones they had about who ordered what and why, and are gone now.

I really see the beating away of "peaceful protest" to be synonymous as the "peaceful protesters" but beaten away. I really am not going to play your word games of... it lacks the word "100%" or any kind of new equivalent. This all comes down you proved nothing that there was any kind of violence before the cops showed up in riot gear to justify them all being beaten away.

It's all you can say about a heavily protected US president that goes WAY out of his way to have a picture taken just minutes before peaceful people were beaten away to make room for that.

 

I never agreed to that. He told a crowd of people to fight like hell. You're acting as if the majority of the crowd were violent far right wingers!

And I'm sure that your only problem with what Trump said was the word "fight!" I'm sure that you would have been totally okay with what he said if only he didn't use the word!

Your opinion is not proof, no matter how much you want it to be!

I don't recall Republicans doing that either. Both sides are innocent of this!

What the hell does "trials by combat" have to do with Trump?

Doesn't change the fact that you agree that cops don't have a problem shooting BLACK AND WHITE MEN fleeing!

 

No, your sources ABSOLUTELY DO NOT say that the Park Police Chief ordered his men to violently clear peaceful protesters! You don't even know what your sources say!

I'm sure that he DID order his men to clear them out! What's wrong with that? That's his job!

Well he specifically said that some of the protesters were NOT peaceful.

He certainly did NOT say that every protester was "not peaceful!" He's perfectly aware that many peaceful, innocent protesters were cleared. That's certainly regrettable, but the crowd had to be cleared in order to extend the perimeter. Look, he could be completely LYING about violent protesters! I don't know! All I'm saying is that there's no conclusive evidence that he lied, given that he has not been accused by Congress of lying under oath!

It's simple: It's POSSIBLE that the cops are part of a huge conspiracy to cover everything up by lying about violent protesters, but this remains your conspiracy theory!

Wow, you really know alot about this case. I didn't know about the recordings: From Wikipedia: "The U.S. Park Police stated on July 7 that "the radio recorder was not working and did not record any transmissions" during the June 1 sweep of protesters, meaning that there is no audio record of Park Police communication." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_photo_op_at_St._John's_Church

Unfortunately, no matter HOW peaceful a protest is, and no matter how many peaceful protesters are part of it, if ONE SINGLE person in that protest becomes violent, then it ceases to be a peaceful protest, and is now a mostly peaceful protest.

You also seem to assume that every single person at that protest received a "beating" from the cops. This of course would have been impossible. The people who the cops would have physically engaged would have been the ones who were directly in front of the cops, either refusing to retreat, or attacking them.

This doesn't mean that Trump PERSONALLY ordered the protesters to be cleared!

 

He's responsible for what his men do. And so he is bias on this account.

And I'm sure that your only problem with what Trump said was the word "fight!" I'm sure that you would have been totally okay with what he said if only he didn't use the word! [/QUOTE]

I am acting like Donald told a massive group of people to fight like hell or else lose your country.
And 100's and 100s of people agreed with him and subsequently the feds are looking at +500 individuals who took part in this insurrection.
And you're just downplaying it all as if nothing much happened. Total joke.

What Trump said, and what the people did is not my opinion.

I recall Donald and co doing this. They are GOP.

His layer said that in a speech where Donald gave his speech on the 6th.

I don't agree on that, since my point is that it's beyond fleeing... since they don't shoot white people even when they attack cops.

 

I sourced that the peaceful protesters were violently removed. Told you before

Makes him bias, since he would be incriminating himself. Told you before

Bias opinion not founded on any evidence. Told you before

Go source that perimeter thing. I asked before.

You're just making it up that one person was violent. Where is the evidence besides 1 bias opinon? You got nothing.
You're just making it up that when 1 person is violent, that 100's and 100's of innocent people may be beaten up.
Collective punishment is even a war crime.

Never said anything of the sort.

There currently is no other reason.

 

I agree. What's wrong with violently removing protesters? You obviously don't care that the rioters on January 6 were violently cleared away!

Why exactly would he be incriminating himself? There's nothing illegal about a Police Chief giving orders to police officers!

And yet you relied on the Capitol Police's statement about Office Sicknick, and you interpreted it as saying that Sicknick was murdered! I guess a police source is only biased if you disagree with them!

Your conspiracy theory is not founded on any evidence either! Media reporting is NOT evidence! If it was, then the US Park Police Chief would have been removed from his position and possibly prosecuted! NO Congressional investigation has concluded that the protesters were wrongfully cleared!

It's simple: It's POSSIBLE that the cops are part of a huge conspiracy to cover everything up by lying about violent protesters, but this remains your conspiracy theory!

"Attorney General Barr was appointed to lead the federal response in D.C.[11][31] Following the overnight demonstrations on May 31 that had damaged St. John's Church and left graffiti on the Treasury Department headquarters, Barr decided to expand the White House's security perimeter."

No, I'm just making the point that no matter how peaceful a protest is, and no matter how many peaceful protesters are part of it, if ONE SINGLE person in that protest becomes violent, then it ceases to be a peaceful protest, and is now a mostly peaceful protest, which includes a vast majority of peaceful protesters. And if the protest is broken up by cops, many peaceful protesters will be caught up in it. Your sources don't say that the PROTEST was peaceful! They say that peaceful protesters were cleared - which is a FACT!

No, I never said that. So how many people in a protest do you think are allowed to be violent before police can take action? ALL of them?

You cannot source that Trump PERSONALLY ordered the protesters to be cleared! This remains your conspiracy theory along with your other conspiracy theory!

 

Yeah, nothing wrong with that whatsoever! And how great it is to see that you are no longer claiming that they were "violent far right supporters" as you did in your previous post! Now you say that it was just "a massive group of people!" You're making some promising steps forward! That's great!

No, if they agreed with Trump, they would have protested peacefully, just as Trump ordered them to. They disobeyed Trump.

Good. The human waste should be rounded up and hopefully given the death penalty. The same goes for any left wing human waste from last year.

Nope, I've always said that it was a dark day for the US, but it was NOTHING compared to the MONTHS long insurrection by antifa and other left-wingers! And YOU DID play that down!

No, but Trump being complicit IS your opinion!

You've already admitted that the crowd that Trump spoke to was just "a massive group of people!" And who the hell is "CO?"

Why the hell is Trump responsible for what his lawyer says?

They NEVER shoot white people even when they attack cops?

 

It is trashing their 1st amendment rights.

That attack on The Capitol has nothing to do with 1st amendment rights.

It is unconstitutional.

It is, since they recorded it. And you're unable to prove they were violent.

That is proving nothing this had to do with beating away the protesters at that time. Did the Park Police Chief say this was the reason?
And on that wikipedia page you can read up that crowd was peaceful in the next line.

Already responded that I do regard that when it is only mentioned that the protesters is peaceful that I see no problem to regard it as a protest that went peaceful.
I will not respond again to this childish word game, when you failed to prove some person might have been violent in order to justify beating up everybody else.

There currently is no other reason why they beat away peaceful protesters minutes before Donald just "happens" to walk by... and just minutes before the curfew would have made it illegal for them to be there. All you got are theories.

 

Besides being the one responsible for rallying his crowd to indeed fight like hell for his cause.

You can't protest peacefully when you're asked to fight like hell or else lose your country.

And you got nothing to rebuke this. Donald asked his lot to fight like hell or else lose the country... and so they did.

His lawyer for starters. So again... the GOP did this, can't say the Dems did the same thing.

He organized the stage.

point is:
Cops do not shoot violent white fascist busy killing them,
while not having a problem shooting a black man fleeing.

 

How great it is to see that you are no longer claiming that they were "violent far right supporters" as you did in your previous post! Now you say that it was just "a massive group of people!" You're making some promising steps forward! That's great!

What the hell is wrong with telling people to fight like hell? MANY political speeches use that language! DOUBLE STANDARD!

Really? Every crowd in history before them was able to when a politician said "fight like hell!"

They fought PHYSICALLY!

You've already admitted that the crowd that Trump spoke to was just "a massive group of people!"

So? Why the hell is Trump responsible for what his lawyer says?

Point is: you agree that cops don't have a problem shooting BLACK AND WHITE MEN fleeing!

 

So protesters should NEVER be violently removed? I doubt that you would say that!

It's unconstitutional for a Police Chief to give orders to police officers?

The media recorded EVERYTHING from the event?

If media reporting was evidence, then the US Park Police Chief would have been removed from his position and possibly prosecuted! NO Congressional investigation has concluded that the protesters were wrongfully cleared!

It's simple: It's POSSIBLE that the cops are part of a huge conspiracy to cover everything up by lying about violent protesters, but this remains your conspiracy theory!

https://www.nps.gov/subjects/uspp/j...rotective-mission-of-the-white-house-zone.htm

Expect it WASN'T "only mentioned that the protesters is peaceful."

Oh, so you ARE saying that "everybody else" was beaten up? Earlier when I said:

"You also seem to assume that every single person at that protest received a "beating" from the cops. This of course would have been impossible. The people who the cops would have physically engaged would have been the ones who were directly in front of the cops, either refusing to retreat, or attacking them."

You said:

"Never said anything of the sort."

So AFTER the curfew, you think that it would have been okay for them to be violently cleared?

 

We already discussed that known violent people would be there. No sense in repeating everything.

You say that... while Donalds speech has undoubtingly lead that people went fighting like hell. That makes him responsible.

We already discussed you can't prove what Donald did not mean, and so the argument is mute.

You simply bear a responsibility to the people you invite on your stage.
And I have yet to hear an apology that this is not according to his viewpoint.

I don't agree with that, since cops don't even shoot white men attacking cops. Attacking trumps fleeing on the scale of how violent people are and how the police deals with it.

 

You're moving goalposts

That depends on what them orders are. We all know that.

You again failed to prove somebody was violent before the cops started the fight.

it reads:
Reiterating my previous statement, at approximately 6:33 pm, violent protestors on H Street NW continued to throw projectiles including bricks, frozen water bottles and caustic liquids.
While the free press caught it on tape showing it was peaceful prior to the point when the cops showed up and started a fight.
I'll be sticking to evidence and not opinions.

You again failed to prove somebody was violent before the cops started the fight.

You're moving goalposts

You need to look up what the laws are yourself.

 

Clearly you think that there are situations in which protesters SHOULD be violently removed. But what about their 1st amendment rights?

If what this Police Chief did was unconstitutional, then why wasn't he found guilty by Congress and removed from his position?

You failed to prove that everyone was peaceful before the cops started the fight.

If media reporting was evidence, then the US Park Police Chief would have been found guilty by Congress and removed from his position
and possibly prosecuted! NO Congressional investigation has concluded that the protesters were wrongfully cleared!

It's simple: It's POSSIBLE that the cops are part of a huge conspiracy to cover everything up by lying about violent protesters, but this remains your conspiracy theory!

That's not relevant to what we were talking about. This statement shows that the reason for the crowd being cleared was to extend the perimeter for the United States Secret Service!

You're either saying that saying that everybody else was beaten up, or you're not. Which is it?

I'm asking for YOUR OPINION! Do you think that AFTER the curfew, it would have been okay for the protesters to be violently cleared?

 

Anyone who gains entry by force should not be surprised if the owner or security guards shoot him.

Burglars are often shot dead, especially in America where many citizens are armed.

 

So which was it? Was it "violent far right supporters" or was it "a massive group of people?"

How did it "undoubtingly lead" to that? Are you giving your OPINION again?

Negatives cannot be proven. You agree, as seen in this post:

According to your insane standards.

Irrelevant.

You're assuming that the cops had the authority to shoot.