Want New T.V.

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  1. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WRONG.My Grandmother Owned a Trucking Co.I was always amazed
    and perplexed in the Winter { I worked as a dispatcher at her home
    terminal} when the truckers left their rigs running even when they
    decided to go to the bunkhouse.It's because the older Diesel were
    very difficult to turn-over {Start} if sitting all night in a cold snap.
    Diesel fuel is thicker than gas,ya silly mug.
     
  2. mikezila

    mikezila New Member

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    1940 is over, and those older trucks are in Mexico now.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ay ... yer in Mexico.
    ADMIT.
     
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    mikezila New Member

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    with the temps dropping down to the 40s tonight, i wish i was...in Tijuana, eating barbecue iguana.


    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyCEexG9xjw"]Wall Of Voodoo - Mexican Radio - YouTube[/ame]
     
  5. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    With just a dash of Spanish Fly fer taste.?
     
  6. TheTaoOfBill

    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

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    I'm not on food stamps. Time goes on. College students eventually get good jobs.
     
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    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bottom line. Look for the one that is in your price range. Write the model number down and do a review search online for problems that other owners have experienced.

    Some of these tvs look great on the showroom floor and even better when you get home...for a while. There are many sets that suffer from various issues that seriously degrade the visual quality.

    But they sure do look purty...
     
  8. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah I already Posted dat.
    Pay attention.
     
  9. Ctrl

    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In 2011, the average salary for a college grad who can find a job is 46k
    source

    The average salary for a high school graduate is 41k.
    source

    Now... Forbes says:
    I mean... here is the deal... Gates? No degree. Jobs? No degree. Larry Ellison... Richard Branson... the list is pretty big of pretty big earners with no paper. However not going to college doesn't make you brilliant, obviously. But if you walk into Microsoft, or Google, and demonstrate that you are a brilliant hacker... they couldn't care less about your paper.

    Our economy is (*)(*)(*)(*)ed.

    Let's pretend it isn't. Let's pretend we are in the time of that Forbes article. Lets pretend we are dealing with a 22k disparity between a high school grad and a college grad. Let's pretend that when you walk away from college, you have about 23k in debt, total.

    The high school grad who was earning for four years instead of spending, will not advance over his career as well as those with degrees on average. He will advance, however. There is also the little fact that he is earning, while his counterpart is debting.

    Eventually the college grad will out-earn him... again... on average.

    However... the average debt coming out of college is ONLY 23k because the parents are supplementing a lot of that tuition.

    The cost for one year of tuition and fees varies widely among colleges. According to the College Board, the average cost of tuition and fees for the 2010–2011 school year was $27,293 at private colleges, $7,605 for state residents at public colleges, and $19,595 for out-of-state residents attending public universities.
    http://www.collegedata.com/cs/content/content_payarticle_tmpl.jhtml?articleId=10064

    So... let's pocket some of that money. Lets have your average salary at 30k with no debt for 4 years, plus a 15k supplement from parents. That is 135k... vs -23k... without a raise for the HS student.

    Lets give him a raise each year totaling 5k... because I like easy math. This is a disparity of coming out of a 4 year institution vs working a job for 4 years of 160k.

    How long do you have to work that "good job" to break even, and eventually out-earn?

    College is kind of a sham where you pay for liberal indoctrination.

    There are smart people, and there are average people, and there are the unfortunate people.

    If you are a smart person... which path do you take?

    I went to college. I really shouldn't have. It did not make any difference save my debt.
     
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    mikezila New Member

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    good for you...now go pay your taxes. :flagus:
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is another great point...

    During that 4 years, you are not borrowing money from the government with almost no interest... you are paying taxes.
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    You'd be lucky to find a TV that would last as long as your old one. We used to have this old box television, one without a remote (who would have thought?) and it worked perfectly for more than 20 years. We got a new TV and it died within a year or so.

    TV's are not as well made as they were years ago. I couldn't recommend a brand, I have a GVA and it has a 12 month warranty, which I guess is all you can expect these days.
     
  13. Til the Last Drop

    Til the Last Drop Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    T.V.s from the 50s and 60s lasted 40 years. When somebody wants 500-3000 dollars for a product that they offer a "3 year warranty" on sends up immediate red flags. Like I said in an earlier post, I'll give these modern, global pieces of junk a try but if it breaks within a few years I'll never own one again. I mean my god, computers have a better shelf life at this point. That is fricken pathetic.
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    Can you get your old TV fixed? Although they'd probably tell you to buy a new one, you would likely be better off getting it repaired and seeing how long it lasts, rather than wasting money on something that will stop working within a year or so.
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We live in a disposable society.

    It is by design.

    You will someday just have to come to grips with the fact that you either want a tv that costs less than 500 dollars, or you want a TV that will last 10 years.

    Still... you should see Faster.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEMmKyR11yM"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEMmKyR11yM[/ame]
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would agree except that in Electronics the price goes down.
    Now if the price of TV's kept rising,I would say you're entirely correct.
    TV's keep getting better and less expensive.
    Now as far as longetivity and build quality,that may not be reflected
    in the price.CurtisMathes TV's were The Most expensive of TV's,based more
    on the fact they were built in the U.S.A. They didn't offer a better picture or
    even better sound.They were sold at the highest of prices based on quality
    build.I think it was myth.Dealers got kickbacks for pushing Curtis Mathes
    models.My Proof.All those who grew up in the 50's and 60's and
    their Zenith's lasted near a lifetime.
    It's all relative now.
     
  17. Til the Last Drop

    Til the Last Drop Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is what I'm saying. Even if I couldn't own a TV until I saved 5k for a 30", if it lasted 50 years would be worth the trouble and far more of a financially sound investment. I hope I am not always working poor, but you know if you have ever been working poor it is better to be safe than sorry. Being frugal is the key to not ending up wanting to blow your brains out.
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is kind of the point IMO. If you want a 50in or better TV for less than a grand you should look at Plasma... because it is now a long standing production line... and LED and 3D are eating up the "new and improved" market... which is why you can get plasma at a scream... which still has better response time than anything.

    Of course we are a disposable society... and these TVs are not built to last... so while they are dirt cheap right now, it is because after a couple of years you will not be able to repair them.

    LED technology has great longevity... but the 3 main boards which run them are still Chinese fabbed crap with no real QC.

    I do not have a good reply to the OP. There is nothing which really satisfies his desires over 36"
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I understand yer sentiment entirely.Because of the way I was brought up.
    When I was in 8th grade my older brother and I got probably the Best
    Christmas presents ever.A Clock Radio.A General Electric.I used it
    ALL Thru High School and College.I still had it years after when I was
    in my mid -20's and purchased my first Home.I kept/used it at my bedside
    until about 10 years ago.That meant from age 13 till I was well into
    my 40's.I have learned to not throw stuff out if it still works.
    The clock radio stopped,first the nightlight and then the radio.
    I have a Realistic - Patrolman 6 - Radio I use for listening to AM
    Radio.I purchaed in the late 70's and it sat in a storage shed for about
    10 years collecting dust and in extreme cold/heat.I have used daily for
    the past 20 years.I searched a couple years ago to get another one
    because I wanted to see what was out there.Radio Shack no longer made an
    identical model.I ended up with a nice large pocket-sized shortband radio.
    But I don't use it.I expect stuff to last.
     
  20. TheTaoOfBill

    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

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    46k is the average STARTER sallary for college grads. Most high school grads would be lucky to make 46k after an entire career.

    I'm not saying college is necessary. My boss never went to college and he is a fairly successful programmer/entrepreneur. But most do not have his ability to teach himself and self motivate. And even still he has trouble finding work even with all his experience and knowledge because people don't even bother to look at his resume after learning he has no degree.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't understand yer point.A TV doesn't know from what salary.
    Nor should a human.Every human purchasing a TV should have some
    anticipation of it working well into the years.At least that was the mindset
    of everyone I knew in the 50's 60's regardless of income level.
    I don't care if the Surgeon down the street lived in the biggest house
    and drove the first caddy on the block.When that surgeon bought a TV,
    by golly he expected the same performance and reliability as the janitor
    a neighborhood away did.
    Yer point is missed,I'm afraid.
    Inanimate objects can't be expected to reply back.
    Either a TV performs as made or they need to be exposed as unmarketable.
     
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    I assume you read my entire post. I will just assume that.

    I will assume you understand he is your boss, never went to college, and finds work for himself AND you... and presumably others.

    I am not suggesting that electives will not teach you things you didn't expect to learn...

    I am asking if the debt, vs 4 years of experience is what you think employers are looking for?

    I mean... all degrees are not created the same. English Lit will not earn the same money as electronic engineer...

    I am asking an anecdotal question...

    Will you ever make more than your boss, who has no degree... and do you or he owe more for that degree?

    It is kind of rhetorical.
     
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    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

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    Every employer is different. I know there are plenty out there that to not even consider you without a degree no matter what experience you have. I know because my boss told me he gets turned down all the time from jobs for not having a college degree. And I know my mother who has been working with autistic children at an elementary school still only makes 20k a year because the school refuses to give anyone without a college degree more than that.

    Will I ever make more than my boss makes? Maybe. I'll definitely have more opportunity to try.

    If you ask me though I think college has already paid off. I have an amazing network of nerdy codemonkey friends. I met my beautiful geek goddess of a girlfriend. And I get constant emails from jobs begging to hire me instead of the other way around. I couldn't be happier with my college experience. Maybe I could have made it on my own. But why should I when I've made such strong connections with other people.
     
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    As far as those jobs goes, remember the old saying. Opportunity knocks once and then leaves forever more.
     
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    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

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    lol what is with you guys and trying to rain on my parade.
     
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