Why are blatantly racist threads allowed?

One thing for sure ... every since Obama became President ... there's been plenty of Exposure.

 

LOL,

are you sure?

 

As to whether racists are a minority, it depends on definitions, but clearly the really nutty ones are crawling into the deeper sewers to hide. It is a bit like VD, I suppose - still around, still nasty, but not as lethal as it was.

 

I will respond to all of your post, although you preferred to avoid most points made to you.

....in your opinion. If I may take this opportunity to point out, other opinions differ from yours and those are equally valid here.

As we post in this forum (not the other you say you use) and this forum supports actual freedom of speech and respectful discussion between opposites... and as this forum actually upholds that in practise, rather than just in theory which by your description the forum you staff avoids doing...we can agree to differ. You can be offended by the lack of censorship you perceive, while the adults here can carry on challenging base racism, smoking out racists and holding their nonsense up to the light as a means of increasing understanding and exposing the inhumane nature of racism.

No, I'm afraid it very much does.

In your opinion. People sometimes stop debating if the opponent is incapable of comprehension.

or perhaps voicing a contentious political opinion in a political forum. I can see why you are outraged. It just makes no sense.

The uneducated oaf should learn to post only your opinion or opinion approved by you and to venerate those instead of worrying about forming and expressing his own opinions for debate.

Oh wait. The point of forums is to post your own opinion.

I can see how that effect might work...

Are you trying to enlist me into the conning linguist brigade? Go and Police someone else. Hero has a high standard of written English and a natural grasp of syntax, you don't and that cannot be evaded.

This will be a shock to you, but you're not the boss of me or anyone here, so I will just continue to comment on racism as and when I feel like it and regardless of your attempts at intimidation. Euros. They do what they want.

I'm not convinced you are US, but FYI I lived in US and was educated there for a fair number of years. There is no requirement for you to attempt to lecture or educate me any further on US culture.

Well nobody cares about those sports, do they. They're not part of the political landscape. They did not derive from a situation of political strife and religious division. They are not a symbol of centuries old civil division and civil war.

Now based even on the racist posts in this forum and on other forums which are predominantly US, should a Muslim (or any other ethnicity) baseball team emerge to challenge your top two and should that ethnicity take political power in US by military force and should they then openly discriminate against WASPs to the extent of ejecting them from their homes, replacing them with Muslims and failing to even provide them with basic Police protection under law from violence, which is not difficult if you have banned WASPs from enlisting in the Police force, should the ruling ethnicity (anyone want to step in here and list more examples of the centuries old political division and civil wars which divided UK and still lingers to the extent that monarchs are still not allowed to marry Catholics, although that is being addressed)....you might have a stronger opinion on it and even worse issues might arise as you all tend to have access to firearms.

But as your situation is completely feckin different, you are in no position at all to speak on it.

Don't let facts concern you though, while you're spinning a good unfounded story.

Fierce stuff if you are interested in football or religion, which most of us these days are not. Rangers football team is in administration. The political landscape has changed dramatically and laws have just been introduced to address the issues you highlight.

This may possibly be down to the diminishing power attributed to the UK Parliament and increasing power of the devolved Scottish Parliament. Certain segments of UK find it useful to maintain political division between Scotland and Ireland (yes those Irish are heavily involved in the issues between Rangers and Celtic, but I can see that would be too complicated). Or perhaps Scotland is too far from the seat of Government. Either way, it has not been seriously dealt with in law and now that a Scottish political Party is governing Scotland, it is all changing because they actually care what happens in this country. They do not care only about London.

People are no longer allowed to sing sectarian songs or any song which may inflame or display religious bigotry. People who are involved in such violence are few and far between, but they are now aware those days are over. Even posting religious bigotry online has been outlawed here.

So there you go. I'm wondering what kind of Europeans you mingle with, presumably not UK if they have not made you aware of the reality of the situation here, when you publicly express such inaccurate views... Is anyone allowed to openly discuss anything contentious on your forum? Or is it a Doris Day kind forum...

Edit] Inciting race hate is also a crime here. Is it a crime in your alleged country?

I also find it really quite distasteful that you claim to disdain racists, while you are happy to use the murder of innocent people just to try to make some point on a political forum. The people you are using deserve more respect.

 

What are you 100% proud of? That you're white?

Christ, racists are superficial.

 

I'm white. Bang a gong. Let me make a fist to prove I'm white.

100% white. Ever heard anything MORE ridiculous? And a fist to prove it! Good grief, what clowns...

 

A proud white fister? Thats a really sick fetish, fisting... But to each their own.

 

White supremacy is just tool to help insecure white people feel better about themselves. They never accomplished anything of value themselves (or at least, perhaps, they don't think they have...subconsciously of course), so they latch themselves onto the superior white race, brag about all its accomplished, which helps them overcome their own insecurities by being a member of the superior group.

Next time a white supremacist brags to you about the accomplishments, ask him to tell you about his own accomplishments. They're usually just average; nothing very superior about them.

 

Mostly well below, in my experience.

 

Thankfully, requests to ban racists have come up more times than I can remember on this forum since I've been around, and everytime, even during one time when the pressure to ban racists was extreme, they have been shot down by the mods and admin.

As an ex-mod here, I know many of the current mods very well, and also know the admin. They are all more concerned with free speech than with racism. It's the bottom line here and always has been; free speech has always trumped all other topics when it came to banning ideas.

 

Still waiting for a reply from Iolo about them 'good jews'; the 3%.
Nor the inferred/unelaborated slur about 'real jews'.
Don't imagine He, moon, or several of the other "I just hate zionist-ers" will be making one.

 

This forum seems very confused. It won't crack down on racists, yet the mods spend their searching through posts/topics for 'flaimbait' then sends warning messages.

Like the one i recieved and no i am not complaining, i deserved it. But if the mods are going to all that trouble and effort, to use their time in that way. Then why not also police the racism on the forum.

 

Shouldn't be all that confusing.

The members deal with racists who post, and the basic premise of free speech on these forums is kept intact, by the mods who prove the worth and value of free speech by not destroying it.

Flaimbait is flaimbait and a completely different mod action/response.

 

Of course it is confusing for this forum policy.

Example, i could call you a 'flaimbait' name, get reported or a mod sees it, i get a warning.

Or i could create several topics slurring people/groups in all types of ugly racism, and not only will i not be warned, the topics will stay to feed into the racism of racists on this forum.

As Mr Truth said pages back, Other forums have a handle on this and stop the rot before it starts. But it is interesting here, for the views/excuses to not stop the obvious destructive hate.

 

Because the forum has no rules against racism. They can't just make up their own rules for the forum to enforce.

You are correct, however, that free speech isn't necessarily the bottom line in all cases. Personal attacks and flaming trump free speech, but in all other cases, concerning actual topics for discussion, free speech was always the most important factor.

 

If want real 'free speech'

Then the filters should go, can say any swear words. Do away with the mods all together.

But not many would support it, as rules are needed on forums. To stop the chaos.

I did that once, on irc/mirc. A channel with no operators, no rules. Just your wits used for survival. The cussing sessions were legendary. Pure chat freedom.

Now if this view of 'free speech' means that, i woulden't mind trying it again.

 

But where exactly does anyone draw the line. It is no secret around here I that I really despise the liberal ideology.

Given the vote harvesting, plantation set up by liberals...are they not far worse than some guy on the internet making a racist post?

They are by far more dispicable. So, should liberals be banned or censored for defending their positions on this liberal minority societal racism?

Or should I get banned for pointing out their racism, because I hurt some feelings?

This place has a healthy mix. Many sites just become liberal sites or conservative sites exclusively and it is just people agreeing with those like them. Big deal. I can go to FreeRepublic and get that.

 

I changed my mind from reading these views. Have real chat freedom, tear up the forum rule policy.

This is what i mean by the confusion to the 'rules'

This forum wants some level of chat sanity to keep a skeleton rule structure but wont go as far to embrace real chaos.

So embrace the chaos if that is what you want. Have this 'free speech' create a free for all. Anything goes.

 

Well, what is wanted is free speech of political topics. It's supposed to be a place where people can discuss anything related to politics, including even the most controversial, in a polite and civilized environment. That's the goal, at least. I'm not saying that it is always attained.

I used to be a member of an unmoderated politcal forum for a short while myself. It's been a while since I last visited, so I can't remember the name and I can't seem to find it on a google search. It was fun for a bit, but you couldn't really get any good in-depth discussion going because you had to filter through 20 off-topic, personal attacks to find one post worth reading through. Therefore, for a serious political discussion board, it's essential to place a ban on personal attacks, insults, and posts designed purely to (*)(*)(*)(*) people off.

And, you know, a lot of racist threads do fall into one or more of these categories, and when they do, I find that the mods are quite willing to get rid of them. It's just that racism itself is not considered flaming or trolling on this site. I think that confuses people because there are so many forums out there for which racism, in any form, is considered trolling and removed quickly. They start to expect it everywhere.

 

Policing the racism on the forum and allowing issues involving race to be discussed and debated are two different things. You may not see it, but we often delete, warn and/or infract racist threads that have crossed the line and broken the rules concerning flamebaiting, trolling, or personally insulting. Do we get them all. No, we don't.

IF we decided to crack down based on our own personal views....then I have no doubt you and others would not like it.

 

Nope, we can't do that. You don't see some of the stuff we take care of and the porn, etc that occassionally gets posted. No one wants to see that and if they do, there are other places they can go. This is a political debate and discussion forum. We are adults. We should be able to discuss and debate political issues of the day without crossing over the simple rules of the board.

 

Could be why PF is so popular. As a former Mod, you've explained it very well, Joker. We are a little like the police; but we're not Nazi's. (Although I realize a few might think so)

IF we were to forbid all the racists, sexists, feminists, Christians, atheists, anarchists, communists, socialists, far-righties, Democrats, and Republicans from discussing and debating......who would we have left??? And heck, there's always the possibility you could turn one of them around to actually see YOUR point-of-view. Talking....even on these public political forums.....is always a good thing, IMO.

 

Amen to that Truth.

 

As I posted already, I mod on a forum where racism is the only topic that is banned. The forum is owned by Europeans whose experience with racism in the form of Nazism has had consequences whose wounds have not healed to this day. Note that nobody here is saying we should eliminate discussions about race or ethnicity. All we are saying is to eliminate blatantly racist threads and comments. The effort to stop the spread of such hate does not constitute "Nazism" or thought control. It is nothing more than common sense.