Why are blatantly racist threads allowed?

So I hereby declare us Christians our own race. Any criticism of us will see the offender 86'd for racism.

ANY CRITICISM!

 

The New Testament beat you to it already as God "hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth'' ~ Acts 17:26

Therefore, anyone who denies it is an antichrist. Thus, a racist is an antichrist!

 

Actually, one of the things that attract me to this board is the moderation here. I think you strike a good balance between freedom of expression and controlling the excesses of bigots, racists, and politically intolerant posters. I would like to see such crude and offensive comments as "All black men are ..." "All Jews are ..." "All Britons are ..." etc. prevented, but I realise that would be a gargantuan task for the moderators, and probably best dealt with by the board members.

And I like, and totally agree with, your closing comments about being adults, and capable of discussing contentious issues civilly. Anyone not so capable, should not be posting on an international discussion forum.

 

That's a grand idea but unfortunately not something that can ever become a reality since political activism often involves the attempts to silence the opposition using various means of harassment.

 

The New Testament is in compliance with modern science in noting that:

"it is also clear that genetic variation between individuals of the same race can be as great as that between members of different races"
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/race--2

The only race is the human race, while racism applies to subdivisions within the human race, as noted in Websters:

"2b a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/race?show=2&t=1330852309

Or Oxford:

"a group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc"
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/race--2

What makes racism relevant is when one generalizes against an entire subdivision of the human race in a hostile manner, as Leo2 pointed out:

Some people argue that racism is only relevant when one hates people because of their hair color, big ears or small toes, yet such can be changed with an operation just as people can change nationality or religion. It might be a bit easier to change nationality or religion than hair color, or sun tanning but what it boils down to is the unjustified hatred of an individual based on the human subdivision (religious, cultural, historical, national, physical, lingual, political...) they belong to. Just the other day, I reported an individual for attacking me with a bunch of racist slurs based on his/her incorrect assumption that I only belonged to a group that he/she felt was justified to be hated.

 

With all respect JP5 , I see it every time I post , it's there in my vm's & pm's. and on every Forum on PF , and in my e-mails ...

I hear friends ask me what's the use to stand up for God ? they ain't but a handful that cares enough to stand . .

I tell them to buck-up and stand up for God and to never back down ..My Bible teaches me where two or more are gathered in His name , there God will be also . . and there is a prayer group that has prayed for PF to be blessed by God , and to bless the Owner and all the Moderators & Advisors in our daily prayers ... and to put on the armor of God , and go boldly forth , and fight the good fight ..

God is here on PF ... ain't no Mod gonna Ban God , his Love will find a way to every heart , every soul .

I am not here to judge , that's for God and Jesus to Judge .

I am here to fight for God , and I will do that to my last breath , and I make no apology for it . my name is written in the Lambs Book of Life , praise be to Jesus for the Cross of Calvary .

I would have everyone on PF to also have their name also written in the Lambs Book , and recieve Gods mercy & accept the salvation promised in John:3 :16 . Amen .

and that's all I'm gonna say .

 

Wait...what are seeing in your PMs and emails? Racism...or porn ('cause if it's porn...send it to me via PM )?

Actually, if I remember correctly, God was a member here but already got banned about 4 years ago. I believe it was discovered that He was sending real-life viruses to members who disagreed with Him (that's some hardcore hacking). I'm sure JP5 could explain better than me; she wasa mod at the time.

There now, you see that? This here is what offends me about Christians (and I suppose muslims also, to a lesser extent), and no offense Hillbilly. I respect you as a member and enjoy your posts (you're like a warm fuzzy teddy bear; I just wanna squeeze you and rub your furry body all over m--oh, sorry...PM me) for the most part, but why do Christians always hope people find salvation through their religious beliefs? Why can't they simply hope we all find spiritual fulfillment with through their own belief system?

I mean, I tried Christianity already, but it wasn't for me.

 

Ahem...whereas your comments regarding moderation are on the nail, your final comment would clear the forum and leave yourself and Jiyuu.

Why does no one pray for the members? Is this a class-based capitalist exclusive religion where you only pray for high achievers and the layman is less valued? I mean, some of those Mods are not even Christian. And us members are in 10 kinds of trouble every day, it's the less advantaged who need your prayers, along with the PF upper echelons who fight the good fight to encourage discussion and understanding between opposites.

Opposites still attract apparently, from the comments in Joker's post (if I were you I'd run for it.

 

If we were to ban posts that were 'blatantly racist' in the opinion they expressed, we would effectively be banning discussions about race or ethnicity. We don't ban opinions in that way - members are free to express any opinion they like, as long as they do so in the spirit of 'respectful debate' and in compliance with the forum rules. We do, however, have rules against just posting just extreme and nasty racial (or similar) abuse (and the more extreme 'racists' often tend to have trouble not violating that rule!).

The rule on 'Flamebaiting' is pretty clear on it (added bold/colour for emphasis):

Members can express any view they like, even if others consider that view to be 'racist', but simply posting extreme abuse and slurs (and especially threats of violence) against racial groups is not allowed.

The principle is quite simple - you can express a 'racist' view here ('racism' is not banned, and neither are posts and threads which some might consider to be 'blatantly racist', remembering of course that language is not black and white, and opinions on what is 'blatantly racist' will vary!), but you must do so in order to discuss and debate the topic, not just to be abusive towards other races.

In short:

You CAN express, debate and discuss 'racist' opinions on the forum, but you CAN'T just post racial abuse.

 

So with this flaimbait view,

The forum rules state that it is against the rules to offend an individual but it is perfectly ok to offend large groups of people in racism tirades?

Doesn't this view seem odd to anyone?

 

The rules against personal attacks and deliberating pissing people off are not really in place to ensure members don't get offended, but rather to maintain constructive discussion. Forum with no rules against such things are filled with threads where there are far more personal attacks and trolling than real topic discussion.

An old mod explained to to me most clearly several years ago: as members, we all have the right to not endure attacks/insults directed at us specifically, but we don't have to right to not be offended by certain topics that may come up for discussion.

 

Exactly. To put it another way, it's not against the rules to post an opinion that someone might feel 'offended' by, but it is against the rules to post something that is only there to be offensive.

People can feel 'offended' by all kinds of views from others/political opponents that 'offend' them because of their own views and sensibilities - we're obviously not here to prevent anything contraversial from being discussed, or to stop members from being able to discuss and debate their opinions even when others don't agree with them or like them. Posting something that appears only intended specifically to offend, inflame or abuse is something different, though, and that is what the rules and the moderators address.

 

An actual 'racism tirade' would be very likely to be against the rules, because the term 'tirade' suggest that it is nothing but a string of abuse, rather than simply being an expression of an opinion that is based on 'racism' (or that other people might consider to be 'racist'). Expressing an apparently 'racist' opinion is OK under the rules, but as it says in the above quoted rule, 'abuse is not 'just an expression of opinion''.

 

In the HELP section I have just posted the opinion that "Mullah praises assassination of T Van Gogh" ( introduced by Glock at 2.42 today) is not worthy of inclusion in World News .
Further , this post along with other similar posts represents Institutionalised Racism across the Forum .
The Forum deliberately discriminates between the reporting of small incident ,Muslim involved , unacceptable behaviour , and the ongoing Racism of the American War Killing Machine which destroys countries .
It is suggested the Forum should be moderated to prevent institutionalised Racism be a stand out feature of the Forum and to prevent clear and continuous discrimination on religious beliefs .

 

We White Western Europeans founded the most prosperous, the most civilized, and the most sophisticated societies in man's history. That's precisely why the "jews" who covet all we have - and who know WE'RE actually God's Chosen - want to destroy us. Read about their plans: http://100777.com/protocols.

Jealousy is a horrible thing.

 

Why only blacks are allow to be proud?We whites must be proud, otherwise we will be quickly overwhelmed by non-whites.Why black racists are good, bit whites ones bad?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kov35xpIcf4"]Racist Faces at Target Stores - YouTube[/ame]

 

Gay Pride !

 

The same question:

Why blacks can be proud, but not whites?

 

There are here more non-whites Racists as whites, do you desire to ban non-whites racists too?

 

Again, so what? Wow, you're a member of a "superior" group. Big deal. What contributions have YOU made personally to make it superior?

I mean, I wouldn't go around bragging about being a member of a superior group unless I had really made some incredibly contributions to its culture. Otherwise, I'd just be an inferior member of some superior group--not really someone worth paying any attention to.

 

You should better say that this forum needs rules against whites who try to defend the white race against continuously bashing and insults of non-whites.
I can not remember that you were ever against the blatantly black racists here.

 

Ostap, you gotta improve your English comprehension skills. That's not a personal attack; it's an observation.

I agree with you racist threads should NOT be banned.

 

That would be your mistake.

 

Because they have survived colonialism, slavery and racism with amazing courage, and created the only modern music worth hearing, amongst other things. What have your gang ever done for anyone or anything? Who would want to be proud of anything that allied himself with racists? I am proud of what I and my own people do, not of some imagined 'whites' who are, at best, a sort of pinky-grey: what on earth has the accident of skin colour got to do with anything but utter silliness?

 

As usual Ray makes a great point.

It seems the current state of this forum is stuck with the mods trying their best to explain the fragile rule system, while the forum itself is constant anti muslim topics. Just take a look at the main sections of the forum (Latest news, Current events)

The majority of topics are against one set of people. Institutionalised racism, Ray was refering to. Which if this forum is all about 'free speech' will take a huge effort to address.