Why did alcohol Prohibition fail in the 1920s?

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  1. Gorn Captain

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    Any "pro-lifer" want to throw out some historical analysis on that?
     
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    Well, essentially, it failed because too many people wanted alcohol.
     
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    Exactly. And also the fact that all Prohibition did was make alcohol the money-stake for the rise of organized crime....made it dangerous for the poor (bathtub gin, wood alcohol substitutes) while the rich still got their hooch....and led to corruption of law enforcement who were supposed to enforce it.
     
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    Yep. Prohibition only works when you don't need it.
     
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    Unfortunately, we still have "Carrie Nations" around here who think Prohibitions can work.
     
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    I would like to say because it is against the freedom's "life liberty and pursuit of happiness" written into the bill of rights. Unfortunately this is not the case.

    After trampling all over the constitution and bill of rights some enough folks decided that the wanted booze more than they cared about the " Booze is the devils tool" mantra and various other religious zealotry coming out of the temperance movement.

    It is interesting that you bring this up as the Pro-Life movement is essentially the same bunch of religious zealots once again trying to force their religious beliefs on others.

    Just like how banning booze is not supported in the Bible, neither is banning abortion. (In fact both are suggested by God in the Bible as something humans should do at times)

    Not that we should make laws based on religion. The constitution forbids this. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of these religious extremists.
     
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    Naturally we'll get ONE who'll claim "Religion doesn't necessarily have anything to do with wanting to ban abortion".....but that's pretty disengenuous, since 99% of the "pro-lifers" freely admit being religious and basing their position ON religion.

    Just as the Temperance folks in the late 19th, early 20th Centuries used religion in their campaign against alcohol.
     
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    The same reason gun control fails.
     
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    It has? Everybody openly carrying machine guns and bazookas so that they might immediately form a "militia" should the need arise?
     
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    You asked a question and I answered it. No need to go off topic with tangential argumentation.
     
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    Legalizing killing a human being vs. having a glass of beer.
    Yes, I can see the simillarities.

    Alcohol is still highly regulated by the way...someone under 21 cannot drink...
    Someone under 21 can have an abortion.
     
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    Would an abortion "Prohibition" work?....i.e. be enforceable and not do all the things the alcohol one did...create a black market, make it safe for the rich but less safe for the poor, create corruption in the law enforcement needed to try to stop it?
     
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    A certain element will always ignore the law, but the numbers of abortions will drop significantly if the clinics shut their doors.

    Heroin is still illegal, yet certain elements still sell it and buy it...and many who do, overdose and die....should we legalize heroin because of them?

    I think not.
     
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    Alcohol is only regulated to 21 in "puritan" countries for puritan reasons. Again religious extremism is the root of the problem.

    Not sure what fairy tale you bought into but no one is for legalizing killing humans. Obviously a living human does not exist in the early stages of pregnancy (at least not according to the biological definition of what a human is and what is a living human according to medicine)

    In the later stages is where legitimate debate starts roughly around 20 to 24 weeks when significant brain function exists.
     
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    The comparison between alcohol and heroin is poor at best. Claiming that they are on par historically is absurd. "Red Herring"

    It is like comparing a riding a bicycle to driving a formula 1 car. Sure they both have wheels, both are used to go somewhere, but the odds of harm are not comparable for the purposes of the discussion.
     
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    This was because the vast majority of the public has strongly disagreed with the prohibiton of alcohol during the 1920s.
     
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    Historically you are incorrect

     
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    Yes, the vast majority of the states has voted on banning alcohol, but just because those state's governments supported banning this substance, this does not mean that the vast majority of this nation's citizens supported this ban also. Here's a more modern day analogy of this. After history once again repeats itself on November 7 2012, which was when the state of Colorado has legalized marijuana smoking.

    Only 3% of congress wants to legalize the recreational smoking of marijuana, whereas the vast majority of Americans support legalizing marijuana smoking. The state's government's decisions do not necessarily reflect the public's opinions on some specific issues, such as either pot prohibition or the prohibition of alcoholic drinks.
     
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    Why not legalize pedophilia too? Think about how many little children have been murdered all just so the molester can cover up their actions. Why should the government tell people what they can and cannot do with their own bodies?

    After all, they're both just two sides of the same coin — child abuse
     
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    You are still wrong historically about prohibition, it was supported by the majority to start with;

     
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    Alcohol kills 75,000 Americans a year between liver disease and car accidents while under the influence.

    6,500 Americans die from heroin overdose a year...

    Alcohol is statistically deadlier...than heroin...yet one is legal and the other is not.

    Keeping heroin illegal reduces the overall deaths...just as making abortion illegal will reduce abortions...
    It won't eliminate them, but I can guarantee there will be far fewer.
     
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    Are you the king of dumb statistic arguments or what ? Why don't you put up the stats for automobile deaths every year and claim that because the number is higher we should ban them as well. The number is going to be far more than heroin.

    Heck, put up the numbers for recreational accidents an this is far higher than heroin as well - Lets ban boating, skiing, and anything else that is more risky than getting out of bed in the morning.

    Newsflash: Risk function of how many fatalities there are per # of people that do that activity.

    Alcohol is not "statistically" deadlier to an individual than Heroin.
     
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    That only works if you can provide evidence to show that deaths from heroin have declined from a point where it was legal.
    You are also using bias in your comparison, by including deaths by car accidents while under the influence and ONLY deaths by overdose for heroin.

    Someone dying in a car crash while having alcohol in their bloodstream does not mean the alcohol was the cause of death .. it could be a contributory factor, but is must certainly not the main reason .. unless you want to include all the people who have died from things where heroin is a contributing factor but not the actual cause of death.
     
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    Really? What will prevent women from getting one if it was made illegal?
     
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    How are you going to shut the clinic doors....in Canada? Or worse (from your perspective)....given even overturning Roe would simply "turn it back to the states"....how would you close clinic doors in New York state, Illinois, Massachusetts, California, Hawaii, etc.?
     

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