Why did alcohol Prohibition fail in the 1920s?

Women can still be prosecuted for killing their children, whether they do it here, or go to some other country to do it.
I am not too into the idea of prosecuting women when it is earlier in the pregnancy, which makes things a bit more difficult, maybe there is nothing that can be done. But with abortions later in the pregnancy (after around 16 weeks) the mother should definitely be prosecuted, even if the sentence is light.

 

So you advocate American law superseding every other countries law?

As much as some Americans would like it to be, American law is not international law.

How do you prove that a 20 week pregnant woman had an abortion in Canada and not a miscarriage, do you really think the Canadian authorities are just going to turn over medical records?

 

What are you blathering on about? You think American citizens can only be charged with a crime by American police if the crime was committed on American soil? If that was the case, an abusive mother could take her children on a boat ride and dump them out at sea.

Detective work, like any other case.

 

It's something that's just simply called availability.

 

False analogy, killing a born person is illegal in every country and illegal in international law (unless in the cases of self defense, execution for crime or war) where as abortion is not illegal in every country not illegal under international law.

Try again.

So explain the detective work involved,

 

and you don't think that people will be around to provide abortions illegally.

 

Abortions were available for the entire time of illegality in this country. Abortions are available in the Latin American countries where they are illegal. Legality doesn't seem to affect availability. Of course, they are more expensive since the supply is controlled by the criminal element. And they are more dangerous for women because the criminal element doesn't care if women die so long as they get their money.

 

A lot of legal abortion mills don't seem to care much about the women either. It's all about money. They don't give a hoot whether the abortion is really the best thing for the woman. In fact, they hire "counselors" who try to talk the women into getting an abortion, all the while pretending to care.

 

So please, yet again, provide evidence to support the highlighted assertion.

Yep there are some clinics who flout the law, thankfully as they have to be registered they are normally found out and people are prosecuted (ie Gosnell).. where as if abortion were made illegal there would be no registration to make the officials jobs a little easier, neither would any deaths be reported, in my opinion any deaths would result in the body being removed and dumped away from the illegal clinic

 

people want to protect their homes, nanny government say no, we know what is best for you, let us do it for you...

 

Same reasons all gun control ever instituted has failed?

 

Because the NRA is a powerful lobbying group?

 

REad carefuly, I am talking about the ones that passed, they failed to produce results. And they always will.

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You don't think Abortion Doctors have one? The abortion industry is huge.

 

Weird.....YOU admitting that a Prohibition did...and WILL fail.

 

So what? DO you seriously beleive that murders no longer happen because they are illegal? Does this mean we should legalize premeditated homicide with a gun? Hell people will do it anyway, right?

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Only if you assume (incorrectly) that the only goal is deterrence.
As has been pointed out repeatedly, other murder laws have not prevented them from happening, so should we abolish those?

 

Interesting the way you try to place words into my mouth, it would seem to be something that a number of pro-lifers do, and taken out of context which is what you do all the time.
you probably think it is really special of you to answer a single comment in a chain and try to make it say something it doesn't .. really smart

the only thing making abortion illegal will do is increase the number of illegal abortion clinics which would have little or no care about the women they treat thus resulting in more deaths for women .. but that is really one of your goals, the ultimate punishment.

 

*sigh*

First of all, you hypocrite, stop criticizing some pro lifers for starting slanging matches, when you are also doing this too, just like what everybody else is doing.

Second of all, if illegalising all abortions will stop the amount of abortions that will happen, then "more deaths from unsafe abortions" is just a side effect of making abortions illegal, it's not the actual goal of making abortions illegal. Stop putting words in the mouths of pro lifers.

 

Actually I asked you a question. One which you dodged and FAILED to answer. So should murder be legalized because they still happen anyway?

 

BTW legalizing murder would make murders safer for the killers, with them not having to worry about pesky issues like the police shooting them and the like, so shouldn't we legalize murder to make them safer for the murderers?

That is the Exact same argument you are making on abortion!

You want to protect the life of the killer at the expense of the victim!

 

you calling me a hypocrite, from the person who stated here in black and white that all women who have abortions should have their rights removed, but then also says its not about punishing women.

Care to provide some evidence as to where I start a slanging match.

If it is "just a side effect" is it one you are happy to agree to?

 

The laws should not legalise murder to protect the killers. They should only protect their victims, not the killers, honestly.

 

Actually you asked a question of no relevance to the context of the discussion I was having with Sam.

But to answer your question, something you rarely do for others by the way, It is obvious that murder of a BORN person should not be legalized .. though as yet you still haven't proven that a fetus is a person, or that it is murder.
Sure I've seen your interpretation of certain laws and certain words .. however up until now you haven't backed that up with anything other that your own ideas, no outside evidence, not even a link to something that supports your opinion that abortion is murder .. maybe just for once that will change and you will actually present some evidence, though I doubt it very much.

and in future if you require me to answer any of your questions I would suggest you start doing the same.

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Problem is abortion is not murder.

 

Okay, this is a perfectly legitimate statement to based these discussions around(regardless of the fact that I strongly disagree with you), but just keep to those statements. Don't go off topic by arguing that "since these abortions will happen anyways, regardless of their legal status".

 

You still failed to address how the two differ. A homicide is a homicide, and abortion is an obvious homicide.
"born" is not even the threshold that cuts off the ability to have a legal abortion. You don't seem to understand the topic really at all.

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Well Fugazi, apparently Sam disagrees with your assertion that my question is not relevant!!!

 

Is it, I asked you a simple question about whether you thought there would be people around who would offer illegal abortions.

I suggest you go back and read the comments in the discussion we were having, but in case you don't want to look here they are.

Response by Gorn Captain

Response from you

Response from me

Response from Whaler

So please show me where Whalers assertion that I believe that murders will no longer happen because the are illegal has anything to do with the discussion we were having. All he has done is impose what he thinks onto what I actually said .. did my comment do anything but ask you a question .. no it did not.