Why Masks are Ineffective, Unnecessary, and Harmful

Wich will have zero affect on the daily positive test and daily fatality trend lines. But the MSM will not report that fact.

 

In many cases, masks have become like security blankets for children. Some wear masks like the Linus character in the comic strip Peanuts. They wear one wherever they go, and derive from it a false sense of security.

I'm an old John Elway fan, and like the rest of the automatons in the NFL, every time you see him lately he wears a silly mask emblazoned with Bronco symbols. Now he has the crud.

Masks are symbols of the mass hysteria that has swept the nation, even the world.

 

Your understanding of how and why we are where we are is most incomplete.

 

The other “mass hysteria” statistic is the daily “new case” rate. These are positive tests from people who are overwhelmingly symptom free or exhibit mild symptoms who will produce antibodies which will kill the virus and render them immune for at least months. Global sero prevalence data indicate that the actual number of people with antibodies in the US is ~ 25X the total case number. And also we are seeing virus attenuation which weakens the virus over time. All of this is basic epidemiology and is reported in other countries.

And of course the important statistic is the daily fatality rate which continues to trend down. Additionally daily hospitalization and hospitalization stay continue to trend down.

 

that is the one that matters.

 

~ Masks may very well be part of the "new normal" .

 

yeh the population of those most susceptible are dying off, thats the natural course for any virus.

 

I'll take this opportunity to agree with @Lesh that the consensus of medical opinion today is that, yes, "masks work". My own personal physician and dentist heartily agree!

Since mid-March, I've worn one every time I go into public places -- and -- I wear disposable nitrile gloves, too! So far... so good.

Afterthought: @Lesh and I almost never, ever agree on ANYTHING, because he far-Left, and, I'm far-Right. But this disease doesn't care whether you're hyperliberal or arch-conservative. It's a fugging VIRUS, people... use common sense! My degree wasn't in medicine or anything related to the healthcare field, but, I've got just enough sense to trust in the advice given to us by people who ARE educated in these areas....

Suggestion: keep about five masks and rotate them -- a different one each day. Gently spray the INSIDE of a mask with a disinfectant spray like Lysol after you've worn in that day, and let it rest for four days... then, wear it again. If you can't find Lysol (and you probably can't), you can find perfectly good, almost identical 'knock-off' products in Walmart, etc. Good luck!

 

Such a good boy!!!

 

Aerosol particles which comprise over 80% of the particulate in breath pass right through medical and cloth masks. If you believe that masks protect you and those around you then please act as if they don't. Avoid spending long periods of time in crowded indoor spaces and avoid others who are elderly and who have the CDC identified preconditions thay you know of.

 

You are surely spot-on correct in inferring that no mask (not even the wonderous N95 mask with valve) is guaranteed to filter out anything so tiny as a virus. Far from it! But it's surely better than nothing at all.

To be fully protected, we see the example of people wearing these "space suit"-looking combinations of face "shields", gowns, full-length gloves that go all the way up to your elbows, etc. So, yeah, it's a 'trade-off'. If you go around wearing a "space suit" all the time, you'll scare small children....

 

https://www.healthline.com/health/cold-flu/mask#research

What we don't need are crackpots who haven't a clue trying to tell everyone to ignore the actual medical experts. We have people who have dedicated their lives to science who say WEAR MASKS; and that they appear to reduce transmission of Covid by 70%.

 

~ Hence the constant threat of lockdown .

 

Please excuse the analogy but would you use a condom which allowed over 80% “pass through”? Of course not. You would rely on other actions such as social distancing.

 

The experts you are relying on are not following the science. And those studies are not regression analyses in which all other factors are accounted for. If you believe that masks protect you and the people around you behave as if you are not wearing a mask.

 

And the data and science clearly show that lockdowns do not slow the spread.

 

Good point... and, I also practice 'social-distancing' -- and as much more as I can than the wholly-inadequate "six feet" that the bureaucrats dictate. I wear the mask, I wear the nitrile gloves, I stay away from bunches of people. Honestly, I don't know what else I could do that I'm not doing already. And, so far, so good....

 

~ Don't touch your face without hand sanitizer. Use hand sanitizer often. Stay away from coughs and sneezing ( rarely seen ). Just like Grandma told us every cold/flu season.

 

What's wrong with the Americans ? Why won't they wear a mask, wash their hands and keep social distancing ???

 

Many Americans do wear masks.

Those who do not wear masks understand that the mask does nothing to prevent the aerosol spread of virus. That makes them much more informed than the true believers.

 

80% already do which is about all you could expect from a national mandate. A national mandate will not result in significantly more people wearing masks when they leave their houses. Most people who do not regularly wear masks where they are not legally required understand that masks do not protect or stop the spread and act accordingly.

Case for Mask Mandate Rests on Bad Data
A top scientific journal lowballs the percentage of Americans who are already covering their faces.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/case-for-mask-mandate-rests-on-bad-data-11605113310

 

As WSJ is basically mainstream media, it is most refreshing to see at least one mainstream source offering rational analysis instead of fear mongering.

 

Well that doesn't even make sense. But we can best avoid lockdowns by wearing masks religiously.

The irony in all of this is: THE PEOPLE WHO COMPLAIN THE MOST AND REFUSE TO COOPERATE ARE THE CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM! If we have to really lock down it will be their fault.

 

What is the report? Please post the core of it.

Or let me guess, you have no idea! You have no idea because you can't read the story.

What's more, one outlier means nothing in view of the overwhelming consensus that wearing masks greatly reduces spread of the disease and provides some protection for the wearer.

Hospital workers and sick patients have been wearing masks for over a century because they work.

This anti-mask nonsense is pure insanity!

 

Post #371. A national mask mandate will not result in many more people wearing masks. Masks are worn by most people indoors where groups gather.

Many countries (Denmark, Finland, South Korea, Taiwan, ....) without mask mandates have very good COVID-19 numbers.