Why Masks are Ineffective, Unnecessary, and Harmful

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  1. James California

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    ~ It will be communist China's "fault". Everybody is cooperative and wearing masks. The problem is we are given misleading information and advice. Most people are not that stupid.
     
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    Such a beautiful Freudian Slip, "wearing masks religiously". :applause:
     
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    New Danish study results published:


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    "While mask-wearing has been advertised by health officials all around the world, including the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, to prevent the spread of the coronavirus, the Danish researchers found that there was no statistically significant difference between wearing a mask or not in preventing people from contracting COVID-19."

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/1...ovid-19-infection-rates/#.X7WVEX0bar4.twitter
     
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    And another:

    Have you ever gotten the feeling that there is just not much that can be done to prevent transmission of the Covid-19 virus and that the "health experts" although they understand that cannot admit it but instead come up with these measures and then blame non compliance of ~ 100% of the public when they don't work? In this example there was a higher rate of infection in the locked down, double masked, socially distanced, environmentally sanitized, meal sanitized, etc group. The best policy is to open the economy and schools and protect the vulnerable.


    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa202971
     
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    :worry: ~ The great experiment in social engineering continues as more of the population self-educates and comes to the sad but inevitable realization we are being duped, distracted and "deflected". { There's that word again }
    Damm it ! :steamed: `:rage:
     
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    Good news on the Danish study!

    Its findings corroborate the many similar tests conducted in the US since 1946 regarding the efficacy of masks regarding transmission of the flu virus.
     
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    How-to-wear-a-mask-right-for-all-of-the.jpg
    ~ The Best Example ~
     
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    https://summit.news/2020/11/18/top-...4K6oQrxAZe6ipZcxCpWINbKzd-tT7ImxBBpka2gXMUWxQ

    Just more confirmation of what we already know.

    The masks are worthless. The ONLY way to avoid the spread is by using hazmat or bio-containment gear.
     
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    Thanks @LoneStarGal for alerting us to the publication of that study. We’ve all been waiting patiently for someone to publish it. :)

    I think the most dangerous aspect of masks is the false sense of security they produce in certain demographics. Implicit trust in them promotes less social distancing and more needless interactions in public. I think those more negative implications outweigh their protective qualities. Many of us predicted this outcome months ago.

    Anyway, thanks for the links so we can all read and discuss the study.
     
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    :police: ~ Don't touch your face without using hand sanitizer first.
    Don't do this ! ➡ :shocked: :icon_picknose: :omfg:´
     
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    Yes, masks are worthless. I mean, why else would North Dakota currently have both the lowest rate of use mask usage and the highest rate of infection per capita of population? Incredible!
     
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    ~ Dr Fauci was correct the first time.
     
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    The science indicates that North Dakota would have same positive test rate if everyone wore a mask 2/7.
     
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    Yes, given the available information at the time (March, 2020), Dr. Fauchi was correct as far as what he knew. But, unlike, say, religion, science is an ever-evolving and thus ever-changing discipline. As such, and in light of the availability of updated information, Dr. Fauci now says that he believes that while wearing a mask is not "100% effective," it is a valuable safeguard and shows "respect for another person." Ah, but, as many of us understand, showing respect for other human beings is quite often a very difficult thing for most political reactionaries to do.
     
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    Have you a source for the scientific information you alluded to, AFM?

    Thank you, sir or madam.
     
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    Science shows that medical masks do not protect or prevent. If believe that a mask protects you and prevents spread and you wear one behave as if you were not wearing one.
     
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    Within the last week papers from Denmark and the US on a controlled population of ~ 2000 US Marine recruits showed that masks do not protect or prevent. These are the latest in a lengthy list of studies which conclude the same.
     
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    ~ A virus is basically the same property . Nothing changed except political influence . Some are duped and it ends there. Others look for facts and watch carefully.
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    Very well, AFM. But again, have you a named source of the information you have asserted. I conducted an interenet search using the words "Denmark and the US on a controlled population of ~ 2000 US Marine recruits showed that masks do not protect or prevent," but the only possible connection was to a website that sported the following: "New study: Lockdowns & masks are useless and might even increase COVID-19 spread." However, I didn't bother reading it because the site also promotes "alien contact" awareness. Surely you're not pinning your claims to such a website, right?
     
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    A highly unreliable test like the PCR cannot accurately determine the rate of infection. You've been fooled.

    It is easier to fool a man than it is to explain to him how he has been fooled.
     
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    New England Journal of Medicine - CHARM STUDY

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2029717
     
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    The problem with Fauci is he said this in an interview with Nora O’Donnell.

    Of course that sounds peachy to people who don’t know much about respiratory viral diseases. But the fact is we’ve known respiratory viruses almost always spread asymptomatically and pre-symptomatically for years. Influenza? Yep. Coronavirus that cause the common cold? Yep. Even MERS and SARS1 showed instances of asymptomatic spread even though we don’t have the volumes of data on them we have on more common ones like influenza.

    So what we’re up against here is Fauci is either a habitual liar, lying to cover a previous lie, or he’s not an expert. Certainly not qualified to make decisions on epidemiology for a country full of fat diabetics with heart and liver disease. Because if he were an expert he’d have known about asymptotic spread of respiratory viruses. And even if he knew it was likely and was waiting for more data, a public health official doesn’t recommend against lifesaving measures on the chance he could be wrong. No. You recommend the lifesaving measure and if your wrong nobody dies because you made the wrong call. In essence, if masks are as effective as many believe outside of the lab or healthcare setting, Fauci caused the explosion of the pandemic in the US and the undue stress on healthcare workers by not recommending masks when they had a chance of stopping exponential growth of infections.

    South Korea had the same dilemma we had with masks early on. Instead of lying they solved the problem of competition for masks between the public and healthcare. And slowed the pandemic to a crawl there. Did South Korea have secret information on asymptomatic spread of respiratory viruses Fauci was unaware of? I’m open to reviewing evidence that was the case, but it’s never surfaced. :)

    Trivia time. Can anyone spot the blatant lie I haven’t mentioned previously on PF in the above Fauci quote?
     
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