12-Year-Old Boy Dies After Police in Cleveland Shoot Him

"During the hours-long standoff with police, Boyd, the "illegal camper" continued to threaten officers with death. Police also discovered that Boyd had a violent 20-year criminal history that included multiple incidents of violence against officers. Boyd’s history also showed years of mental health related concerns.
Video shows when officers moved in on Boyd around 7:30 p.m on the night of the shooting. At the beginning of incident, Boyd can be heard saying, “In a private world, if you were down at a bar or a bus stop, I would have the right to kill you right now because you’re trying to take me over. Don’t get stupid with me!” Boyd collects not one, but TWO knives from his belongings and refuses to disarm himself. This is a justified shooting and not just by my opinion, but that of the TEAM of investigators that reviewed the case. Unfortunate, yes. Justified, absolutely."[/QUOTE]



Everything you mention means police should be cautious. It is not a death sentence.

Watch the video of the event. Boyd was surrendering when a cop fired a flash bang at him, scared him, he turned around and the killer cop shot Boyd in the back. Murder.

 

The video is out, the cops did not yell 3 times, at best the cop yelled once as he was getting out of the car and simultaneously drawing his handgun and shooting the kid. The kid had no chance to respond to the cop.

The cop did what cops always do, yell "get down!" or "stop resisting!" as they kill you to give the appearance the victim would not comply, was a threat, and deserved to die.

 

Well are you sure he did not have a bag of Skittles, because that could really set some people off right away.

 

I haven't seen the video so I can't comment on it. I'll have to watch it myself before I make a judgement on it.

 

According to the FBI, the average gun fight takes place in under 3 seconds.... start to finish.

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I think the skiddles were a scapegoat used to whitewash the ground and pound demonstration Martin was giving.

 

Actually I, not seeing the video here in the thread.

Care to post it?

 

Yes, it is worse, a hell of a lot worse. It is hard to see, but it looks like there wasn't much time to say, "Hands up," and get viable response. The video was too bad to see if the kid pointed the gun at the officer, and there is always the possibility that a person allowed to stay under the emperor's illegal usurping of the legislative branch doesn't understand the words "hands up," simply pulling a gun out of a waistband should not be reason to shoot. For purposes of argument maybe the illegal can't speaky the Engrish kid, allowed to stay because of the emperor's illegal usurping of the legislative branch, thought the officer said, "drop the gun." So until the weapon is raised in a threatening manner, I don't see a reason to be so threatening.

I got thread banned once at another message board for telling a cop moderator that he supported "protect and serve yourself" when he said he pointed a gun at people before determining a threat existed, such as a dark figure in the shadows. I argued that he should keep the gun pointed slightly away, he argued that he needed a kill shot targeting because he could not move the gun into position fast enough. I pointed out that a guy in East Point Georgia got shot through his patio window while holding a coffee cup due to that protect and serve yourself method when a cop was chasing a suspect though his back yard, and stated that in such a scenario if the wife in an upstairs window had seen the him pointing a gun at her husband that she should shoot him in the head first and ask questions later.

 

That is bull! They don’t always do that.

The cop who charged me with assaulting a police officer looked around--we were the only ones there--he walked around behind me and then kicked my legs out from underneath me. The bone spurs on my elbows and the scrape on my chin were consistent with the testimony of respectable witnesses I did not know existed. They were looking out a window of their house. So you see I had my hands up when the officer walked around behind me and attacked me, but that is not what he said. All the other scrapes on my face, which covered my t-shirt with blood, was from the officer shoving my face into the gravel road three times after he handcuffed me. I did not even have to go into the courtroom, but from outside I could see the officers were very angry at the surprise turn of events; I later heard the officer was moved from Ventura County to Watts.

 

All the keyboard cops in here.

I never pulled my gun in my time as an MP, because I never had a gun pulled on me. But if I saw that (go look at what the 'fake' gun looked like) I'd have shot him too.

If you haven't figured out not to point fake guns at cops by 12, you probably won't last long anyway.

I blame the parents for not teaching their Judd to not wave guns at cops.

Oh well. (*)(*)(*)(*) happens.

 

that pretty much sums it up. We don't have a policing problem, we have a cultural problem. Too many parents that won't take time with their children and teach them right from wrong.

 

oh, did you know this kid? his family? Why are you assuming this?

 

Darren Wison said that he was scared. Yes, OK Darren Wilson was as timid as a hare and he decided to become a policeman just to have a gun and be more self-confident. Yes, and he saw huge black gorilla and shot him. I can't believe that this 12-years boy was really horrible.

 

well would you let your child go out with a real looking gun with the orange tip removed? Would you not teach your child not to point real looking guns at strangers and the police? My Dad started teaching me gun safety when I was 6

 

No, but I have raised 2 boys. They do stuff. One day I left my 13 year old son home with his younger brother, about 11 years old. My wife and I went somewhere and was trialing leaving them home alone for an hour or two, they had completed the safe sitter thing at the Y. I even told the neighbor lady to kinda keep an eye out for smoke etc. after a little over an hour we returend home. there was probably 20 neighbors and kids in our driveway. I thought OMG they killed someoen. As I got closer I seen they were standing around looking in my wheelbarrow. Seems my boys had captured a huge snapping turtle (like trash can lid size) out of the creek and were trying to talk the neighbor lady to cook it. The damn thing could have bit a hoe handle in half. I never thought of telling them not to do that. Some people have no dealing with guns and would not know enough to teach the kid anything. I just think it is dangerous to make assumptions just because the kid is black.

 

Because common sense tells you not to point guns at cops. At what age are you taught that? I was taught to respect all cops (even though they (*)(*)(*)(*) me off) and I do.

You think they were waiting till his 16th birthday to give him the old ' don't point guns at cops speech?'

I bet he never got it. Probably watched his friends and family do the same stupid (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

From the looks of the film the kid didnt have a lot of time to disrepect much of anyone.

 

If you pointed a gun at me, you'd have less time then he did. If that had been my dad that rolled up and that little boy had shot him in the chest, would you care? Would it have even made the news? I doubt it.

So (*)(*)(*)(*) that little kids parents and (*)(*)(*)(*) the people who are trying to defend them.

Prayers go out for the kid who probably didn't know any better. Just doing what he sees everyone else in his neighborhood doing. Living the thug life.

 

I don't think I mentioned race in my post. It does not take a firearms instructor to teach a kid not to point a very real looking gun at strangers and in particular the police.

 

Oh, my bad, usually "cultural" is talking about black culture, which one were you talking about?

 

So you think he watched his friends and family point guns are cops? Why are you making this assumption? Have you ever raised kids?

 

the modern culture which avoids taking responsibility for it's actions at all costs. You know the one that looks for someone to blame and hopefully sue in court because of it's own stupidity. The culture that thinks kids raise themselves or depends on the school system to raise their kids while they watch TV. The culture that does not teach children right from wrong. I don't think there is a color for that culture because last I looked trash comes in all colors

 

Ok, very good. My mistake I should not have assumed you were talking about blacks.

 

oftopic but my ex and her husband fall into that category and both are white as snow and would vote GOP if they could pry their fat butts off the couch to vote. I watched them screw up both their own kids future ( 1 in prison, and one with a 150 IQ that screwed up a full ticket ride to Duke and is now a waitress) and do their best to screw my daughters up.

 

I just seen the vid last night on another forum. It seemed to me to be a driect frontal assualt to overwhelm the enemy with suprise and firepower? That might work great in combat, but should the police not have put a little more distance between them and the shooter and at least made an attempt to not kill the person, whoever he was? And yes, I care that anyone gets shot, why do you assume I wouldnt?

 

once again you are second guessing and making assumptions without all the facts. Where were the police coming from, what was behind the camera, what was on either side. What are the access points to the area. Could have been a basketball court behind that camera filled with kids. Al we really know is that the police were responding to a call where the dispatcher reported someone pointing a gun at random strangers and when they arrived the kid raised it toward them

Hindsight is 20/20 and armchair quarterbacks will never lose a game.