12-Year-Old Boy Dies After Police in Cleveland Shoot Him

All too often lethal force is applied as first choice. They are probably trained to do that. For their own self protection which is reasonable.

We used to give kids more leeway though. But these days with so many black kids shooting others, a sign of our times, what was used in the old days might get a cop killed today. One has to really despise this society we have created. And generally when one harps on this rotten society, there is always at least one who challenges you on it. And claim it is just the same rotten society 50 years ago, but that these days we hear about it, where in the past we didn't. No one who lived in the 50s would accept that though. This culture has gotten much more barbarian in just general behavior of people. I never saw road rage until the 1980s here where I live. So, why this change? Why didn't people suddenly start acting up with road rage? It probably existed in some areas, like the big city north, where people were not very friendly to others to begin with, but here in the south is just didn't exist or it wasn't at all common when I grew up. If one can explain why it suddenly manifested and then grew, (monkey see monkey do) that would be a start in understanding it. Personally I think it comes from how our kids are taught at home, and in school, as what our culture itself is instilling, condition people to behave like. Why the changes though? Why did we stop to quite a degree, in raising kids up differently? Was it the removal of Christian morality and ethics from public school? Was it taking restrictions off of what the kids could see in the shows on tv and film? Do video games that involve shooting and killing the enemy dehumanize us, the youth? It is probably all of these things. For we are conditioning our youth to be totally different than what my generation was conditioned to be.

A case in point happened recently. I overheard a father tell his son, who was around 10 or so, that respect is not given to anyone, unless they earn it. But my generation was you give respect right out of the gates, and do not put conditions on it, especially when it comes to kids respecting older people. This difference, when a child is conditioned with it, does make a difference in behavior. All of these little changes adds up.

 

"Many retailers now place disclaimers on their toy weaponry stating that airsoft guns are sold with this orange tip, and removing it will be punishable by law"

 

Simple, cops place their lives above all other people, they can kill anyone and get away with it by simply claiming they felt their lives were threatened.

With that mentality, sending cops primed for violence and on a hair trigger anywhere is asking for someone to get killed.

It isn't the first time a cop used excessive and deadly force, it happens to innocent people 500-1000 times a year.

Cops killed John Crawford without warning merely because Crawford was holding a toy gun in Walmart, a toy he was going to buy but was still shopping. A man called 911, lied to the 911 operator saying Crawford had a gun and was pointing it at people, the cops came expecting an active shooter, saw Crawford standing and talking on his phone, and murdered him. The video is in the link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/24/john-crawford-air-rifle-video_n_5878022.html

 

Do you believe the bullshi* you post? You really have no idea what you're talking about. If a cop comes up and just shoots you, they are going to jail. They don't like killing people. And if they do a psch text will show that. As far as John Crawford goes, have you seen pictures of this so called "toy". Because that thing looked so fuc*ing real I thought it was gun. So what do you think a police officer is going to think? You forget that they told him to put it down, he didn't. Like I said before you have no clue what you're talking about.

 

http://www.ibtimes.com/john-crawfor...olice-while-holding-toy-rifle-walmart-1655416


A 22-year-old man was shot and killed last week in an Ohio Wal-Mart after failing to obey police officers’ orders to put down a bb/pellet rifle he was holding

https://images.search.yahoo.com/sea...-177+air+pump+rifle+&fr=yfp-t-251&fr2=piv-web


Tell me that doesn’t look like a real gun? I have been around firearms my whole life, and just looking at those pictures it is very hard to tell.

 

True, the "respect is not given until earned" will cause more children to be killed, or at least grow up to be jerks and have poor relationships in life.

 

OK what do you have to refute it or lead you to believe otherwise?

Where do you get the apparently?

 

Yes instead of raising his hands he went for the weapon in his waist and the officer fired two shots which prevented him from point the weapon at the officers threatening them. What don't you understand here?

 

It has to be more than an assertion, the forensic evidence must also support it.

 

Cops always say that, particularly in cases where they (*)(*)(*)(*) up and someone dies.

 

One hundred years ago kids used to sleep with guns. Imagine todays cops doing a no-knock raid and finding a toddler holding a gun. They would make hamburger out of his tiny body. And in the 1950s parents would be out right now shopping for guns for the entire family as Christmas presents. The cops today would riddle all of them with hot lead, especially if they were black families.

Welcome to the 21st Century concentration camp called America. There was never any widespread freedom and liberty but now even the people who once had a little bit no longer have any. By 2020 everyone will have to have an internal passport to move about the country.

 

YES, indeed Hong Kong Police is going to this track...
PEOPLE must always remind the cops that their power isn't unlimited.
If the cops think they are too stress out, please quit the job, this is not an excuse to abuse your authority



However, compare to the protesters of the US, Hong Kong protesters (umbrella revolution) are still too limp...they dare not to defense themselves as they afraid to offense the law....sad to say, Hong Kongers are not fully wake up yet.

and I saw this news, that the US protesters are so brave to occupy the bridges!

yet the same time at Hong Kong, 122 peoples arrested by HK police while just 89 people arrested in Ohio protests....yet we are just using shield, eye glass, and helmet, and mask to protect ourselves form the batons, pepper mist and tear gas, I feel so angry right now....

Please bare in mind, your power is came from people.

 

Are you saying that children are incapable of pulling the trigger and killing? WHY the hell aren't you asking WHY this little brat was pointing a toy gun at people in the first place? WHY did this little moron refuse to put his hands up and instead reach for the gun IN FRONT OF THE POLICE? You can't possibly be so effing STUPID as to take this little brat's side of what happened. The cops obviously didn't know it was a toy. And they KNOW that little kids at times kill people.

 

So it's perfectly OK for cops to shoot little kids of two years old if they have such an item in their hands in a park.

 

I would not think a two year old capable of understanding what a gun can do.

A twelve year old, however, I would.

 

^ Here it folks. The "opposing view" being demonstrated. Which part did everybody enjoy the most? Where he spit on a dead child's grave or insulted the OP?

 

Dosn't mean he isn't speaking the truth. Why didn't he put his hands up in the air?

 

Insulting the OP.

Quite effectively.

 

Excuse me? What drug have you just injected? The thread said this little (*)(*)(*)(*)e was 12, not 2. 12 year old kids have committed murder all across the fruited plain. I say it's perfectly okay for a cop (WHO HAS A WIFE AND CHILDREN HE IS SUPPORTING) to defend himself if some little piece of (*)(*)(*)(*)e reaches for a pistol. It's NOT OKAY for children to be doing this crap. NOT TODAY. Not when you have little gang bangers in that age who shoot cops for real with real guns.

 

Where did I say anything of the sort. Quote me. I said they had a report of a kid with a gun out and in some fashion showing it off.

When the kid reached for the gun the cop reacted in the way they are trained, he saw a threat and took the steps to illuminate it.

Funny...I don't see you questioning the parents. Because personal responsibility and parenting don't matter here. Just victim mentality.

 

It's always a good decision to point a fake pistol at a police officer.

 

So you think the cop killed the kid because he wasn't the child of someone important?

You think the cop killed the kid because he could?

Pretty harsh accusations.

 

But it would still be OK for a cop to blast the two-year old (or six year-old) if he had such an item in his hands even if it wasn't a real gun? What's the age cut-off, if any? Are there any exceptions for race or sex?

 

So now you are implying its ok for the cops to shoot a kid - who according to the Deputy Chief was not threatening the cops (and reaching for a gun is a threat, so the kid wasnt reaching for a gun) - because his parents are irresponsible?

The lengths you will go to exonerate cops.

 

No, there are many cases in which the evidence does not show the victim was a threat. All it takes is for the cop to believe his life is threatened.

For example, this man was killed when he was clearly not a threat, the cop that shot him 3 times (in the back) was exonerrated, the APD decided it was a justifed shooting, video of the shooting here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwytoxMuk4U