How many genders are there?

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    guess what, science is now showing the Y is going away, and other genes will play a bigger role when that happens, but yes, for the most part the male sperm decides the gender with the Y gene or lack there of, the Y gene is getting smaller and smaller, but when it's gone, it will not be the end of the male gender
     
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    Evolution had nothing to do with it. Apples are not oranges and 2 genders are needed to make a baby
    Your thread fails beyond belief
     
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    Netflix doesn't seem like a good source to determine that "science does not support the concept that there are two genders".

    According to Stanford Medicine:
    "The neuroscience literature shows that the human brain is a sex-typed organ with distinct anatomical differences in neural structures and accompanying physiological differences in function, says UC-Irvine professor of neurobiology and behavior Larry Cahill, PhD. Cahill edited the 70-article January/February 2017 issue of the Journal of Neuroscience Research — the first-ever issue of any neuroscience journal devoted entirely to the influence of sex differences on nervous-system function.

    Brain-imaging studies indicate that these differences extend well beyond the strictly reproductive domain, Cahill says. Adjusted for total brain size (men’s are bigger), a woman’s hippocampus, critical to learning and memorization, is larger than a man’s and works differently. Conversely, a man’s amygdala, associated with the experiencing of emotions and the recollection of such experiences, is bigger than a woman’s. It, too, works differently, as Cahill’s research has demonstrated."
    More here: How men's and women's brains are different | Stanford Medicine
     
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    Dems invented transsexuals? Lmao. I didn't know there were any dems 5000 years ago
     
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    They still would, if the DSM hadn't been corrupted by politics. The mental illnesses don't change, fashions do.
     
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    there are some contradictions, let me tell you..

    So, the ultra liberals will tell us, how your are born (biology, physical traits) doesn't matter, it's what you believe you are. Curious, why is that XY born transgenders want boobs, long hair and act 'feminine'... isn't it all superficial? i.e. physical characteristics shouldn't matter? On one hand, they will tells us, doesn't matter that i was born XY w/ a penis (physical characteristics don't matter), i'm a woman...... On the other hand, they put a lot of emphasis on the physical biological traits of the opposite sex (XX) and usually seek to transform their physical traits. Why? if it's all in the mind, why not look masculine and say you are a woman? If you want to change your physique to look like a biological woman, then you are basically confirming biology/physical traits is a thing and matters. The confusion becomes more confusion.
     
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    It's a function of immense safety and privilege. A First World disease.

    And it's ****ing grotesque.
     
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    some heterosexuals also want fake boobs, ect...
     
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    No worries. I did mention it on the first paragraph. Just that I did it in passing.
     
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    I understand what you're saying because that's what I believed before I started researching for this thread. I thought I was going to start a thread about gender vs gender identity. But as I read about the different scientific studies it turns out that it actually IS about genders. Genders are not binary at any level. Not physical, not DNA, not chromosomal.... The division into two genders just doesn't hold anymore. It is doomed to disappear.
     
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    A flat disc is round! The Earth is an oblate spheroid. I certainly have no issue treating people in a manner consistent with their identity and addressing them with pronouns they consider respectful. Identity, psychology, and surgery does not change what they are. Personally, I identify as a dog. (I've felt this way ever since I was a puppy!)
     
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    I can't even milk a cow... But I did enjoy sea turtle eggs when it was legal to eat them right out of the nest. Today that would be criminal. Those were the days when life was so simple.... We were also so wrong. But I do understand why so many find it blissful to remain in ignorance.
     
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    To say we were wrong is to be on the wrong side of science. It could be that the social construct of today is viewed as primitive years from now.
     
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    No more need be said.
     
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    Netflix is an excellent source to determine where people's perception will be going. Don't miss the boat!

    All this is as new to me as it is to you. But I did check the studies and articles I link on the OP. There is no denying that the idea of a two gender species is about to disappear. And science is not going to help it survive.

    BTW, I didn't say there were no differences in brain. There is a feminine brain and a masculine brain. But not always in the corresponding feminine body and masculine body. But it turns out, as one of the studies I linked to mentions, that there is also a transgender brain that is distinctly different from the feminine and masculine brain. And there appears to be many other types of "brains". As well as my other types of bodies. And any of those "brains" may be found in any type of body. So the matter is much more complex than we thought. Studies are ongoing as we speak. But there is no doubt that we are going to need to revise what we were taught.
     
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    They sure don't. They just correct it. There are many birth defects that can also be fixed with surgery.
     
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    Science may not help it survive, but evolution will insure that it survives.
     
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    I don't follow? Why caused more genders to appear? How is a person with an X and a Y chromosome identified; one with to X's? I think we'll twisted the word "gender" beyond recognition.
     
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    It's as good as dead. It will die like the idea that gay people should not marry died. Or that marijuana should not be legal. Just like we buried those, we just need to get over it and prepare the funeral!

    Alea jacta est....
     
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    Science can play name games if it wants, but that does not make them science.
     
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    OP's post reminds me of Orwell's 1984. Control the language and you control the the masses. This is the second time I've seen a leftist disregard language in favor their cause de jour.
     
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    Well, the conservative mindset is to resist change whenever possible, that's not something that's conducive to new things.
     
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    It's explained in one of the links I sent. The XX, XY model is something most of us learn in middle school or junior high. And it's enough to explain the importance of chromosomes in heritability. But it has become clear that it's insufficient. The main difference between a female and a male are the testosterone levels (others like estrogen levels play a role, but are less significant). They are the most significant factor that differentiate men from women during puberty. They remain in a dormant "potential" state during pre-adolescence. And are practically indistinguishable during adulthood. But this model only explain about 56% of that difference.
    https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article/22/8/2153/644913

    And even within that 56%, actual testosterone levels vary wildly from the "average"
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0031938409003205?via=ihub

    And there are many other genetic factors that also vary wildly and can change a person's physical make up, not only during gestation and childhood, but even in adulthood. The role of SRY, DMRT1 and FOXL2 genes is not completely understood. But if they stop performing certain functions, or if they begin to act up, a male could start acquiring female characteristics, and vice versa The following article has a good explanation of the genes involved in this process.
    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/stop-using-phony-science-to-justify-transphobia/

    But the bottom line is that reality is immensely more complex than the XX, XY model.
     
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    I don't see exactly where these articles actually suggest multiple genders. They look more like internal variations within a male or female individual.
     
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    Missing the boat is a good idea if the boat is manned by lunatics.

    Lysenkoism used to be cutting edge progressive science. But it led to a great deal of misery Transexualism is leading to a great deal of misery, also.


    “What we live through, in any age, is the effect on us of mass emotions and of social conditions from which it is almost impossible to detach ourselves. Often the mass emotions are those which seem the noblest, best and most beautiful. And yet, inside a year, five years, a decade, five decades, people will be asking, ‘How could they have believed that?’ because events will have taken place that will have banished the said mass emotions to the dustbin of history.”

    –Doris Lessing, Prisons We Choose to Live Inside (1987)
     
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