How many genders are there?

Whatever you say my friend whatever helps you to feel like you're on The winning side of progress believe whatever thou wilt.

 

He wants you to join a cult of science denial.

 

You're about to lose your membership card.

And what do you mean when you say you "don't believe in it"? Please clarify.

 

There is no such thing as gender; just different personalities which are too complex to pin down with silly distinctions. That is unless, gender just refers to sex, in which case there are two.

 

Depends on the meaning of the word gender since the word has multiple meanings I can't really ask your question without asking you to clarify.

If I go with the first dictionary definition it is either of the two sexes so there would be only be two genders because there's only two sexes.

 

Something could end this nonsense tomorrow.

All of the conservative men just identify as women and all the conservative women just identify as men you don't have to take hormones you don't have to change the way you dress you don't have to do anything words.

It will at that moment become uncool and it will stop.

If only I could convince enough conservatives to do this we could put an end this tomorrow

 

In 'science', it is well established that a paper is not the final arbiter of anything in science.

The flat earth and solar orbits are bad anologies because astute ( device assisted ) observation shows us the earth is flat that the earth circles the sun, etc.

Similarly, observation of your genitals tells us your sex. One does not 'believe' away what our genitals and bone structure and uterus, sperm, ova, etc., tell us. Woke culture is trying to get us to believe otherwise, but I, and many like me, disagree.


Golem, with due respect, I don't agree and like Bill Maher complains, woke culture is causing America to hate liberals.

With trans people, if they are willing to do the drastic chop op, I'll cut them some slack and call them women. But not until then

I don't trust many men. I'm a man, and I can say on good authority that males lie about sex. A male will lie to God Himself, let alone congress, if the subject is sex.

The point is, I'm highly suspicious. How many gay men who hate to be gay, say to themselves, hey, I know how I can stop being gay! Become a woman.

Are they truly identifying as women, or are they just trying to stop being gay, which is who they really are? For such persons, wouldn't the healthy thing to do is just admit you are gay admit who and what you are and quit trying to be something you are not?

Is not life filled with examples of people trying to be something they are not?

Why should that phenomena stop on the subject of sex?

I would think that on the subject of sex, THAT is where the lies truly begin.

My gut feeling, what I know about the male specious, I am highly suspicious.

Woke culture is destroying the left.

Trust me, it is.

Binary selection is everywhere in nature.

Now, at primitive primordial stages, it might get foggy, but for the developed more sophisticated biological organisms, there are males and females.

Isn't that true?

 

Sex is essentially binary. "Gender" is a cultural issue.

I'll let others duke it out, but I"m old fashioned.

 

Anyone who does read and comprehend the Scientific studies reaches an understanding that the old binary stereotype is no longer supported by the data.

Unfortunately not many Science Deniers are willing or even able to examine the Scientific studies for themselves since doing so will trigger their Cognitive Dissonance.

When the OP referred to them as dinosaurs it was an apt choice of terminology.

They will vanish and end up as a footnote in history books alongside the flat earthers.

 

They were ALWAYS there and recorded history confirms that.

What has happened is that Science has started looking beyond the basics of DNA and how VARIATIONS in our chromosomes can result in people who do not fit into the binary stereotype.

In essence the hypothesis of a binary gender aligned to the genitalia has been DISPROVEN by the the Scientific Data.

That is the Scientific Method and now we move forward again.

 

There is nothing odd, unscientific, or untoward with calling a boy a boy and a girl a girl. Just like it is perfectly natural and common sensical to call a dog a dog, a cat a cat, a wagon a wagon, and the sun the sun. The idea that the sun might think it is a moon should play no part in anything.

 

How many genders are there?

There are two. Wishing one were the other gender does not change that. It is a psychological problem that should be treated, assuming there is treatment for it.

 

Not quite. There is still research to be done but, to put it at a "sexual brain" level, one of the studies I mentioned was about transgenders. And they show a distinct difference with a "standard" physical male brain or a "standard" physical female brain . Sort of a continuous line from "complete" female to "complete" male. But that also might be oversimplifying because there are variations within the variations.

At the current state of scientific research, the classic binary male vs female distinction is just insufficient to explain the many variations.

 

I couldn't care less how many genders there are. But wishing there were only two doesn't make it so. Just like wishing that the Sun revolved around the Earth didn't make it so either. There is still much research to be done. But science can no longer support a binary male and female division. So we can say for sure that in the coming years, many bubbles will be burst. Which is not new. Bubbles were burst by science when we learned we evolved from other species, when we learned that the Earth is not flat, when we learned that smoking was bad for you.... and many many similar advances in science. Just like in those instances, many people will deny it for a while... a few won't be able to let go of the "dogmas" they grew up believing. But, in the end, we'll get over it and just try to understand what it is that science is teaching us. Haven't you learned by now that it's always been that way?

 

It's manned by "lunatics" saying "crazy" things that defy common sense. You know.. "lunatics" like Galileo who claimed... get this!... that the Earth rotates around the Sun. Snicker snicker snicker. Can you imagine that? It's a "lunacy" to believe the Earth moves without us feeling it move, right? (snicker snort snicker). Oh.. those "crazy" scientists!

 

A dictionary is not a reliable scientific source. That is not what dictionaries are for. That is what scientific studies are for.

Dictionaries constantly change and adapt as facts change. And I believe many of them have already changed to adapt to scientific fact.

 

Uhhh no. A male is someone with a Y chromosome. Specifically the SRY gene on the Y chromosome.

A female is someone without a Y chromosome. Specifically the SRY gene on the Y chromosome.

 

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Furthermore gender is fluid and can change daily or by the hour based upon NOTHING more than the whim of the person.

Hence why we don’t refer to people based upon their gender which can change at any time. We refer to people based upon their SEX which is an immutable characteristic and cannot change.

That’s also why we don’t segregate bathrooms or sports based upon gender we segregate them based upon SEX as it is an immutable characteristic which cannot change.

 

How does one "scientifically" determine a person's gender?

 

It’s really not that difficult.

If you have a Y chromosome, you are a male. If you have a Y chromosome and you feel like a female then you are a feminine male but you are a male nonetheless.

If you do NOT have a Y chromosome then you are a female. If you do NOT have a Y chromosome and you feel like a male then you are a masculine female but you are a female nevertheless.

I’m not sure why you folks find this that difficult to understand.

 

You can’t because it’s a subjective view of oneself which can change at any given moment.

 

Hmm.. One thinks that you've really over reached here. Clearly, You might want to actually examine the fallacies you used to claim this.

 

Obviously I'm exaggerating, but the basic premise is true.

 

I'm not talking about "a paper". The studies I mentioned are just examples. But this has been in the works for decades. Fact is that there is no scientific reason why sexes should be separated in only two. Science has known this for quite a while. But it's not until now that researched is focusing on finding out if science COULD support the concept of binary sex. Turns out, it still can't. We are just starting to find out why.

I am not using those as examples of science. I am using them as examples of people's reluctance to accept any science that challenges concepts they have accepted all their lives.

We might need to make a distinction between "sex" and "gender". Genitals determine your biological sex. But there are too many factors that this fact doesn't account for. Just like the XX, XY model doesn't either. There are individuals with XX chromosomes can have gonads and XY individuals could have ovaries. But gender goes way beyond sexual organs. It involves levels of testosterone (mainly), levels of estrogen, the actions of certain genes like SRY gene... everything must be perfectly timed to come together at exactly the right moment so that the male/female organs develop parallel to the male/female brain. It's a complicated process. And, in reality, it's even more complex than this. So many possibilities or combinations are possible and quite often do occur.

The variations in the "female brain" and "male brain" are not punctual either. They are instead... not just a continuum, but overlapping. One example in the article I referenced is that the sexually dimorphic nucleus of the preoptic area in gay men is much more similar to that of the straight female than that of a straight male.

So even the concept itself of "male brain" and "female brain" might not even hold water anymore.

This has nothing to do with liberals or conservatives. This is just science. The fact that it's conservatives who most often deny scientific fact does not make it political.

 

I understand your position. I would have probably shared it before I started researching for this thread. But it turns out that study after study have demonstrated that it's not just cultural.