U.S. army nut job murders 16 innocent Afghans

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  1. Margot

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    An American sergeant is suspected of shooting nine children, three women and four men in two villages near his combat outpost in southern Afghanistan on Sunday.

    He turned himself in after the killings, the military said. The Army's Criminal Investigation Command is leading the investigation. The suspect has not been charged.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/13/world/asia/afghanistan-shooting/index.html

    CNN is still saying he acted alone?????
     
  2. Really People?

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    I'd say, if the guy had an assault rifle (which I believe has been established), and the people were unarmed (which they seem to have been), and this was done during the night (which I believe was the case), that seems feasible...
     
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    At this point, I'd say we need to ****...

    Not because we won, not because we lost, but, because, A: they don't want us there, and, B: the longer we stay there, and keep sending folks back multiple times, the more of a risk we run of this kind of (*)(*)(*)(*) happening...
     
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    So wearing a uniform gives the coward an out. They're already preparing the PTSD defense to get him off. I see no difference in what he did and what the 9/11 terrorists did.
     
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    Because sadly, to far to many people politics is all that matters.

    I wonder if they would be surprised to learn that almost half the people in the military are Democrats? And that about the same number are Republicans? Because the breakdown is about the same as that as you see in the general population. No surprise, since that is what the military is made up of.

    These are sad, sad little people, to whom everything has to be broken down into "us" and "them". And if you do not agree 100% with everything they do, you are automatically "them".

    But I do not let it bother me to much. The same ones that you see in here bashing the military over every thing are always the "usual suspects". They hate the military with an almost fanatical zeal, and they can't understand anything to do with the military.
     
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    Sadly, these kind of people are the majority of posters on the forum...

    And yup, it's always the same ones...

    There's no middle ground for these people...

    I wonder if they're like this in real life, and, if so, can anyone stand to associate with them for long?
     
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    Of course some people 'hate' the military. In this topic it is obvious.

    A professional soldier [soldiers] have killed 9 children and tried to cover it up by burning their bodies.

    A truelly barbaric crime. Now instead of trying to derail this topic with irrelevant nonsense. Try to think how the usa military has been reduced to this sad state.
     
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    Yes, I believe he acted alone. For somebody trained to operate like this, it is not all that hard. I have done such training myself (operating at night, useing the enemies confusion to slip around almost unseen). When you have a single highly trained individual operating among untrained or poorly trained individuals, what they do can almost seem "magical".

    Think about it, an individual this trained could have done this in the streets of Kabul, or Los Angeles. And to see what somebody with less training can do, look at the Beltway Sniper a few years ago.

    Ten killed, and three wounded. And he was only trained in the National Guard as a truck driver. Imagine how many he might have killed if he had been trained as Infantry.

    And of course he has not been charged yet. The crime just happened, and the incident has to be investigated first.

    After all, how often does somebody do something like this in the civilian world, and is immediately charged with the crime? Pretty rarely. They are arrested, the incident is investigated, then some time days or weeks later they are arraigned.

    It was over a month between the Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman murders before OJ Simpson was charged with those murders (crime was 12 June, arraignment was 24 July).
     
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    I do not think anything has changed in the US military. In WW2 they were executing prisoners of war,Vietnam they were running around butchering women and children on a regular basis,Iraq,Afghanistan they have been doing more of the same. These people that claim the US military is some kind of honourable institution are just apologists and most are even members of the US military. The military kill people period,that is their job. They are not too bothered who they kill and that has been shown in all their wars.
     
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    Almost unseen? He was seen by everybody.Duh!!! he set the bodies on fire in the middle of the night,hardly un (*)(*)(*)(*)ing seen is he now.
     
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    I would never say they were the "majority". I know quite a few in here I disagree with politically, but they do not result to such cheap theatrics. And many of them also oppose what the trolls do.

    But these people are often the most vocal, so it is their noise we notice the loudest.

    What I find frustrating is the political types that try to polarize the population. I no more associate the Occupy types and ELF types with mainstream Liberalism and Democrats then I do what many seem to think makes up mainstream Conservatism and Republicans.

    I see an incident or group and see them simply as that, individuals or groups. I do not associalte such behaviors as being "typical".
     
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    Maybe, "most vocal" would've been a better choice of phrase...

    But, yeah, that's what's ridiculous in this thread is people, and this is not new, who take the actions of a few, and associate it with others...

    It doesn't make sense...
     
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    You can dispense with the B.S.. The GOP has "POLITICIZED" the military since Ronnie Raygun. The Republican ideology is world domination. The war machine budget is $662 billion per year. It takes the top 20 most powerful countries added together to equal what the U.S. spends. The Iraq/Afghan wars have killed over a million INNOCENT civilians. I was in the army during Vietnam. I was sent to Iran instead. But many of my friends didn't come back. So excuuuuse me, but I'm sick of my country trying to be what Hitler wanted to be.
     
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    Again, why politicize this?

    Whatever the GOP of Democrats have done to advance moneymaking off of the military, it doesn't really have anything to do this topic...

    If you wanted to start a thread on the military, and politicians making money off of it (which definitely happens), go for it...

    However, this is about this jackass shooting civilians...

    No article makes any mention of his political affiliation, or this event having anything to do with it...
     
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    Its difficult to face..........
     
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    I worry about the backlash for the rest of our men and women there. Things will be tense in the upcoming weeks. This guys has got to be a mental case. How do you shoot CHILDREN?????????
     
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    That's the big thing I'm worried about as far as repercussions...

    The people there are PISSED, and this will make it a bigger problem for the majority who aren't like this idiot...
     
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    I DIDN'T POLITICIZE IT! It was already politicized! The U.S. military is in Afghanistan BECAUSE of politics! This incident happened because of politics. And odds are, the nut jobs political ideology is the reason he did it. It's the bigots of this country that preach hate for the Muslims. That's the GOP.
     
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    I am fully aware who typically demonizes Muslims...

    However, there is no article making mention of the shooter's political affiliation...

    And considering that there's not any overwhelming political majority either way in the military, I'd say there's a fair chance of his political affiliation going either way, not that it matters...

    This is no different than the idiots who see a shooter in a public place inside the US, and, fly right off the handle...

    "Oh, I bet it's a leftist"

    How is this different from that?
     
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    Yes, the backlash will be huge. The afghanis will obviously now be worried about the safety of their children even near american troops.

    And if no justice in their view is gained in the next few days/weeks. It get even worse.
     
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    An arrogant bully marched past a sentry who didn't dare challenge one of the Master Race and did his own small pogrom. Sounds Republican to me judging by the weirdo posts on here.
     
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    Still there's no proof that he is of either political party...

    Hence, my previous posts...

    And, what is this master race?
     
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    The laundry will be hung out to dry. Just like the nut job in Sweden that killed all those kids. It was revealed that he was a right-winger. Surprised?
     
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    Well, fundamentally the zionists, of course, but really any occupation army anywhere: they soon get to believe they are somehow superior, since they can point the guns at people and murder their children. I know there is no proof he is of any political party, and he may, in fact, be protesting at the aggression shown by butterflies. My meaning is that the arrogance and racialism and love of bullying and murder demonstrated by the right wing posters on here seem to fit exactly with what the man has done. I could, of course, be wrong. He is perhaps a member of the Socialist Workers' Party trying to win members. I doubt it, however. He sounds to be a product of your media to me.
     
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    Maybe so...

    I see no need to make assumption at this point, though...
     

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