7 eye popping numbers from worldwide heatwave

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  1. Melb_muser

    Melb_muser Well-Known Member Donor

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    The extreme temperatures experienced on Earth this month have shattered so many records that it is getting hard to keep track. The first full week in July was the hottest global average temperature ever recorded and experts expect that July will be the hottest month in 120,000 years....

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/worldwide-heat-wave-numbers.html

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    Too many records broken to list.

    I wonder what will happen when the deniers spin frenzy comes to a climax. Will it spin off into oblivion or evaporate in the heat?
     
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    We had another thread on this one and it was revealed that they were measuring the ground surface temperature instead of the air above the ground like they normally do. I can go to a parking lot right now and probably come up with a 160°

    It's summertime here in the US so yes it's typically hot during that period of year.

    Although it is pretty funny that the picture on your link that pops up first is a guy in death valley.... That's right, a guy in the desert in the summertime is hot
     
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    The numbers were eye-popping because they were false.
    Europe’s “48°C Horror That Never Was”…ESA, Media Sharply Criticized For Manipulative Reporting
    By P Gosselin on 19. July 2023

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    “The most intense climate lie”: Last week it was all over the news: Temperatures in southern Europe skyrocketing to 48°C! But none of it was true.

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    Surface temperature chart: European Space Agency (ESA)

    The hysteria was started when climate sensationalist media outlets in Germany and elsewhere, like the Relotius Spiegel, uncritically cited a sloppily and manipulatively formulated July 13 report from the European Space Agency (ESA), that first referred to “air” temperature:

    Temperatures are sizzling across Europe this week amid an intense and prolonged period of heat. And it’s only just begun. Italy, Spain, France, Germany and Poland are all facing a major heatwave with air temperatures expected to climb to 48°C on the islands of Sicily and Sardinia – potentially the hottest temperatures ever recorded in Europe.”

    The original ESA report continued, only later specifying that it was in fact referring to surface temperature (emphasis added):

    The animation below uses data from the Copernicus Sentinel-3 mission’s radiometer instrument and shows the land surface temperature across Italy between 9 and 10 July. As the image clearly shows, in some cities the surface of the land exceeded 45°C, including Rome, Naples, Taranto and Foggia. Along the east slopes of Mount Etna in Sicily, many temperatures were recorded as over 50°C.”

    Meant here were not the standard temperatures recorded at 2 meters above ground level that we always here in daily weather reports, which are much cooler, but rather those right at the ground surface. That crucial difference went totally unnoticed by media and journalists, who reported of new record high temperatures. By the time the ploy was exposed by careful readers, the news had already gone around the world.

    Yesterday, the ESA issued a (vague) clarification explaining the difference between surface and air temperature at 2 meters above ground, yet continued to mislead:

    Land surface temperature is how hot the ‘surface’ of Earth feels to the touch. Air temperature, given in our daily weather forecasts, is a measure of how hot the air is above the ground.”

    The ESA did not bother to mention how the surface temperature is much hotter than the 2 meter air temperature.

    “Most intense climate lie”

    “What we experienced over the past days was most intense climate lie since temperature recording began,” reported Germany’s Achtung Reichelt here on the implications of the ESA’s sloppy, manipulative press release and the media firestorm that ensued: “The problem with that report is that none of it is true.”

    In Sicily the temperature reached only 32°C over the weekend – a far cry from 48°C, which illustrates the great difference between ground surface temperature and readings taken 2 meters above the ground.

    Once the trickery was exposed, Spiegel quietly changed the wording in its July 14 report:

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    Image cropped from Achtung Reichelt.

    Spiegel changed the text (left) from 48°C with “many heat deaths” over to (right): “48°C …but that the measurements were not the usual air temperature – which can be considerably lower.”

    It’s clear that the authorities and media tries to pull a fast one on the public, but were caught again thanks to careful readers.
     
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    The Hill Should Check Their Data, Weather is Not Getting Worse
    ALARMIST MESSENGERS/CLAIMS JULY 20, 2023

    The Hill recently posted an article about climate change, “There is no ‘new normal’: absent drastic action, the climate will only get worse,” claiming that without “drastic action,” weather extremes will continue to escalate because of the use of fossil fuels. This is false. Many of the examples the author, Andrew Pershing, uses in the post are erroneous at best. Weather is not getting more extreme, not even in the form of flooding or heat waves. . . .
     
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    Religious fundamentalist climate cult babble.

    We've only been able to measure temps for about 150 or so years.

    It's not even a good religion is a poor imitation of Christianity the worst version of Christianity.
     
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    Melb_muser Well-Known Member Donor

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    This post is the perfect example of a straw man.
     
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    You're the one who claimed "too many records" had been broken. I merely provided an example. As for "global temperature" claims:
    ‘Hottest Days’ Manipulation?
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    The claim that July 3-4, 2023 were the hottest days in the past 125,000 years is based on satellite data and computer modeling by the University of Maine’s Climate Reanalyzer. But there seems to be a problem with the Climate Reanalyzer. . . .
     
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    oh ffs, 120,000 years ago!?

    do you really not realize the limits of our abilities to determine what some sort of summer heatwave was, globally, even only as far back as 50 years ago?
     
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    Melb_muser Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well, that's what the experts say.

    What type of weather changes and temperature records would it take for you to acknowledge climate change?
     
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    Melb_muser Well-Known Member Donor

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    Too many to list over multiple articles.

    There are a lot of fires for you to put out. I do wonder at what stage you will acknowledge there's something going on?
     
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    There is something going on, but it's error.
    2022 Nobel Prize Winner: “Climate Science has Metastasised into … Pseudoscience”
    Eric Worrall
    Physicist Dr John Clauser, joint recipient of the 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics, has slammed the climate crisis as “pseudoscience”.
    NOBEL LAUREATE: “CLIMATE SCIENCE HAS METASTASIZED INTO MASSIVE SHOCK-JOURNALISTIC PSEUDOSCIENCE”

    Dr. John F. Clauser, joint recipient of the 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics, has criticized the climate emergency narrative calling it “a dangerous corruption of science that threatens the world’s economy and the well-being of billions of people.”

    Along with two others, Dr Clauser, an experimental and theoretical physicist, was the 2022 recipient of the Nobel Prize for work done in the 1970s that showed “quantum entanglement” allowed particles such as photons, effectively, to interact at great distances, seemingly to require communication exceeding the speed of light.

    He has criticized the awarding of the 2021 Nobel Prize for work in the development of computer models predicting global warming, according to a coalition of scientists and commentators who argue that an informed discussion about CO2 would recognise its importance in sustaining plant life.

    In a statement issued by the CO2 coalition, Nobel Laureate John Clauser Elected to CO2 Coalition Board of Directors – CO2 Coalition Dr. Clauser said that “there is no climate crisis and that increasing CO2 concentrations will benefit the world”
     
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    Gosselin - AGAIN

    why didn’t he publish this revelation where more impactful than his mostly ignored blog? I mean a scandal like this should be all over right wing media but the only places I can find it are WUWT and NTZ
     
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    The Grip of Culture: The Social Psychology of Climate Catastrophism
    Posted on July 13, 2023 by curryja | 167 comments
    by Andy West

    My book ‘The Grip of Culture’, subtitled ‘The social psychology of climate change catastrophism’, is now published.

    “Climate change catastrophism is a cultural disease haunting Western society. Andy West’s excellent study of this problem explains the different drivers of this disease. It is an important contribution to a debate where reason must prevail.” – Frank Furedi, emeritus professor of sociology at the University of Kent

    Continue reading →
     
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    Nope. Not a valid challenge. Are you asserting that I do not know that both the weather and the climate change? That both on small and large time scales weather and climate are dynamic and subject to ever changing system dynamics? I am not the one however that is so uneducated apparently in the limits of technology to believe that "experts" have any possible measure of what global average "heatwave" temperatures amounted to in the year 0 AC/DC, much less going back 120,000 f'g years.
     
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    It was reported on German television. Gosselin is merely an aggregator.
    “What we experienced over the past days was most intense climate lie since temperature recording began,” reported Germany’s Achtung Reichelt here on the implications of the ESA’s sloppy, manipulative press release and the media firestorm that ensued: “The problem with that report is that none of it is true.”
     
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    Denialists selling books to denialists

    this is about s useful as a QANON guide book!
     
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    Then why is Faux not all over this? BTW it could also be a function of how ESA is measuring as it looks to improve accuracy

    https://www.esa.int/Applications/Observing_the_Earth/Taking_Earth_s_temperature
     
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    Your prejudice is your prison. From a synopsis:

    Demonisation and denialism

    This chapter examines the mis-framed concept of ‘denialism’, which allows modern secular cultures (especially climate catastrophism) to demonise dissenters en-masse, yet without this being perceived as demonisation. The widespread use of the emotive and pejorative concept of denialism is in part due to its legitimisation by a scientific paper, which has given the concept a veneer of respectability. In this chapter I use that paper as a vehicle to expose the flawed framing of the term denialism. The chapter is based on my 2016 Climate Etc post ‘The Denialism Frame’, with significant additions.
     
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    0 AC/DC, by the way, that's 1973.
     
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    Here's another account: I might go with the experts than your 'common sense' for now...

    Is it really hotter now than any time in 100,000 years?

    Published: July 21, 2023 8.28am EDT
    Darrell Kaufman, Northern Arizona University
    As scorching heat grips large swaths of the Earth, a lot of people are trying to put the extreme temperatures into context and asking: When was it ever this hot before?

    https://theconversation.com/is-it-really-hotter-now-than-any-time-in-100-000-years-210126
     
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    Now you're back to straight out propaganda dropping. Let me know when you want to address specifics of OP.
     
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    Got the courage to answer this question?
     
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    And also I'm betting it's because this heat is actually affecting some of their viewers. Arizona is marginally a conservative state.

    If climate change only affected other parts of the world it would be a huge conspiracy to rob them of their oil-fueled retirement funds.:aww:
     
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