7 eye popping numbers from worldwide heatwave

Your question, from your #10:
"I do wonder at what stage you will acknowledge there's something going on?"
My answer, #11, was that what was "going on" was error, and cited Dr. Clauser.
How do you call a public statement from a Nobelist "propaganda dropping?"

 

Did you not actually read this article?

Of course this fact isn't going to be allowed its due, because immediately the author contradicts this statement with this:

"...we don't know for sure." followed immediately with "...we can confidently say..."

It's not even difficult to find this sort of stuff littering the entire topic, caveats of uncertainty....

This is your source mate, not mine. I didn't post this link, you did. Again, did you not even read it? The Temp12k models smear the proxy temperature estimates over freaking centuries and have a claimed maximum resolution of decades.

Tree rings, sediment cores, and marine oxygen isotopes in foraminifera? This is the basis of paleoclimate "science" claimed ability to ascertain historical global average temperatures. And the assertion that it is hotter this summer than ever in the past 100k+ years is based on models based on proxies with resolution claimed at best to provide a resolution accuracy of a 10 year average. So, therefore, this means that in any of the 1200 ten years over the past 12k years there could have been 6000 years hotter than this summer and 6000 years cooler. Then, these alarmists jump right into the last ice age and claim that it hasn't been this hot in over 100k years.

Not my science....

 

This wasn't sufficient for you?

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...om-worldwide-heatwave.612140/#post-1074334113

Courage? Bit loaded that, innit?

 

The thread is a perfect example of hysteria.

 

It's an act of bravery to stand up to the climatists

 

From the University of Washington:
Is Global Warming Causing Massive Heatwaves?

The media is going hyperbolic about heat waves, claiming that global warming/climate change caused by human CO2 emissions is producing a huge, sudden uptick in massive heat events. The greatest in the historical record. Heatwaves are all over the planet! Phoenix, Arizona is a frequently noted poster child of the new heatwave regime. . . .
It is important to understand that current heatwaves are localized, with substantial portions of the planet experiencing cooler-than-normal conditions as well. Most of the planet is NOT experiencing unusual warmth. . . .

 

I'm happy with that conclusion from the article, too. Caveats are hard wired into science. I linked the article because it gives some concessions to what you said but also doesn't refute the OP.

I think I see what you're getting at now. The Temp12k models don't need to be exact in their dates. I think it's the broad estimation of temperature during that period that's more important, whether it's 120,000 years ago or 121,000 doesn't really matter.

Certainly the data does not refute that we could be breaking records for many millennia past. And there's a good reason why this could be happening. We have pumped hundreds of billions of tons of a heat trapping gas into the atmosphere.

You still haven't answered my question by the way... What would it take you for you to believe that significant man-made climate change is occurring?

 

TIPPING POINTS
WaPo’s ‘Journalism’ Has Tipped Toward a B.S. Point
July 21, 2023

 

He belongs to a group that claims that both CO2 emissions and associated global warming would be “of great benefit to life on earth. You should start a thread on this topic.

 

Another off-topic denialist propaganda piece. Would you like to post about the Polar Bears and Glaciers?

 

I will have to consider my response to this, primarily out of respect to you, but I will post this much at the moment.
My politics lean better than 50% toward issues supported more by the US Ds than the US Rs, and it is a bit painful to have to agree and get likes from certain members here regarding my position on AGW. But, it is what it is and I view this issue largely as Mike Crichton framed it many years ago, Aliens Caused Global Warming. This has become a religion for folks. And so many lies have been told in its favor that I am reminded of this song, although even the great David Crosby would object to my use of it in my defense on this issue,

 

You're the one who started a thread about temperatures.
". . . A recent opinion piece in The Washington Post (WaPo), titled The Earth Is Dancing Too Close to A Temperature Tipping Point is so factually inaccurate that it merits calling BS on it. The article is false. Tipping points have not occurred in modern times related to climate change and in fact, the claimed 1.5-degree centigrade temperature that is supposed to trigger the tipping point has already been surpassed with no measurable ill effects. . . ."

 

Not exactly.
". . . He has criticized the awarding of the 2021 Nobel Prize for work in the development of computer models predicting global warming, according to a coalition of scientists and commentators who argue that an informed discussion about CO2 would recognise its importance in sustaining plant life. . . . "

 

Nice try. The article doesn't focus on tipping points. That would be another topic.

I guess you have nothing to say about the content of that article.

 

My post was factually correct. If you want to propose an alternative paraphrase to hide the intent of that coalition go for it. I can't stop you.

 

Really?

". . . Figure 1 is the Berkeley Earth average surface temperature record for Europe. Europe is a good location to analyze, because some of the longest continuous temperature records are from Europe. It shows that not just 1.5°C, but 2.0°C of warming has already occurred. Yet, despite that warming, catastrophic tipping points have not occurred.


Figure 1. Berkeley Earth average European temperature since 1750. Source: http://berkeleyearth.lbl.gov/regions/europe
Climate alarmists, such as Flam, warn we must take drastic steps within the next 10 years to keep warming to below or near 1.5°C above pre-industrial conditions. They claim that warming beyond that 1.5°C threshold will unleash a crisis of substantially worse extreme weather events and other climate harms. Nevertheless, alarmists’ catastrophic predictions are not coming true, and history shows they have been wrong for decades. Climate Realism reported on the lack of “tipping point” occurrences the article, Media Can’t Agree on the Number of Climate Tipping Points, Much less When, for example.

It is important to note that the 1.5°C threshold is an arbitrary number, and it is not defined by science. It was defined by political negotiations in the Paris Accord agreement of 2015. An Associated Press article, The magic 1.5: What’s behind climate talks’ key elusive goal, admits this stating, “in a way both the ‘1.5 and 2 degree C thresholds are somewhat arbitrary,’ Stanford University climate scientist Rob Jackson said in an email. ‘Every tenth of a degree matters!’”

If every 10th of a degree mattered, according to the data from Europe in Figure 1, we should already have seen “climate catastrophes” occur, represented by trends in increases of extreme weather events. But there are no such trends. Temperatures we are witnessing this summer in the northern hemisphere are simply weather events which have occurred before. Some of the claims about record breaking temperatures have proved laughably false. . . . "

 

And yet you chose to focus on an aspect that was not the focus of his comment.

 

The alarmists fear the science.
Report: Nobel Prize-winning scientist Dr. John Clauser — who recently declared climate science a ‘pseudoscience’ — has his IMF talk abruptly canceled
Guest Blogger
…the Director of the Independent Evaluation Office of the International Monetary Fund, Pablo Moreno, had read the flyer for John’s July 25 zoom talk and summarily and immediately canceled the…

According to Dr. Clauser, “The popular narrative about climate change reflects a dangerous corruption of science that threatens the world’s economy and the well-being of billions of people. Misguided climate science has metastasized into massive shock-journalistic pseudoscience. In turn, the pseudoscience has become a scapegoat for a wide variety of other unrelated ills. It has been promoted and extended by similarly misguided business marketing agents, politicians, journalists, government agencies, and environmentalists. In my opinion, there is no real climate crisis. There is, however, a very real problem with providing a decent standard of living to the world’s large population and an associated energy crisis. The latter is being unnecessarily exacerbated by what, in my opinion, is incorrect climate science.”

 

More alarmist tub-thumping.
Record Breaking Heatwave in Europe?
Guest Blogger
But I have found no evidence that the heatwave was in any way unprecedented, never mind the inferno suggested. . . .

 

Washington state’s governor, J. Inslee. is leading the charge it seems. Finally someone is telling it like it is. TIME HAS RUN OUT!

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ear...nslee-calls-climate-action/story?id=101581760

Remember, the CO2 level fell during COVID because of fewer cars and trucks on the road. The response was SWIFT.

 

I've answered this one in several places on this forum. Pretty simple really. Show me conclusively in plain English how 0.04% of the earth's atmosphere can overwhelm the other 99.96% of the atmosphere and drive heating of the entire planet in violation of established laws of thermodynamics.

There you go. Answer it if you're that smart.

 

So we should just shutdown civilization again because of J. Inslee's lunatic rambling? That's the "climate change" action you're demanding?

And somehow you believe normal people will somehow buy that crap?

 

I just like to remind everyone that 25 years ago they were calling it global warming.... When all of those dire predictions failed to pan out they had to get a more inclusive label and simply call it climate change.

Like a psychic taking a cold reading guessing at a broad spectrum of possibilities

 

I am no expert, and it's a great question that I wondered myself... I read this in detail once (hard to find a good article) and to paraphrase most of the gases are 'thermodynamically opaque' i.e. nitrogen and oxygen. However CO2 and water vapour make a big difference. Water vapour has a set pattern in the hydrologic cycle and is dependent on temperature and regulated by it rather than a regulator in itself. . So imagine nitrogen and oxygen and water vapour taken out of the equation (for arguments sake) . then you're just left with Co2 and methane and others. Even though C02 is just a tiny fraction of the weight of the gases in the atmosphere, since the others have marginal influence with heat in comparison C02 really pulls its weight and makes a larger difference than its tiny percentage i.e. 'weight' would suggest. C02 has increased by 50%, so that's a big difference and we can see the effect it makes in climate change.

This is a very simplistic model of course. if you google your query you'll find good explanations that are much more articulate than mine,.

 

So what is your answer? Can you please repeat it here?