7 eye popping numbers from worldwide heatwave

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  1. FatBack

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    Or it could be as simple as it is exaggerated alarmism designed to justify the government taking ever more power and micromanaging people's existence.

    It would be dangerous just to discount that possibility
     
  2. Bullseye

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    But CO2 being such a tiny fraction of the total and only refracts a small band of the frequencies being reflected from the surface, it's not likely to have major affect.
     
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    You’re being ridiculous. You actually think when scientists explore and study an entirely new they should have all the facts down exactly immediately? WTF do you think scientific study is for?!!
     
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    Wow. You really think you know science better than scientists. How TF do you ever get your ego through a door????
     
  5. Melb_muser

    Melb_muser Well-Known Member Donor

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    If the government controlled everything then it could be.
     
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    Melb_muser Well-Known Member Donor

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    Here is an article that might help explain why only a tiny bit of CO2 can make a big difference.

    I don't know how to address your certainty that you understand this issue, but perhaps it is because the frequencies that C02 absorb happened to be infrared (I.e. heat) that explains why C02 packs a big punch with heat absorption on Earth.

    But I'm sure there are better experts than me. I acknowledge this is just a guess.

    https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/02/25/carbon-dioxide-cause-global-warming/#:~:text=Only after the Earth absorbs,greenhouse gases absorb the energy.

    @Pieces of Malarkey this may help
     
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  7. FatBack

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    They don't yet but they're sure controlling more of it by the day
     
  8. FatBack

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    I might not be a scientist but I know when I see agenda driven pseudoscience pushed by the authorities and masquerading as actual science.

    Similar to this gender is a spectrum garbage that's caught on lately
     
  9. Jack Hays

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    Sure. Take 99.96% of the atmosphere out of the atmosphere and the remaining 0.04% of the atmosphere is really important. Of course, you no longer exist, but that "proves" climate change.

    Yeah, right.
     
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    It's like adding 4 ounces of boiling water to a bathtub of water and expecting the water to get warmer.

    And you've got nothing to disprove it.
     
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    No, it says the slight warming from the volcano will stack on top of the much larger warming from CO2.

    https://eos.org/articles/tonga-eruption-may-temporarily-push-earth-closer-to-1-5c-of-warming
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    In May 2022, the World Meteorological Organization announced there was a 50% chance of exceeding the 1.5°C threshold over the next 5 years. The new study showed that slight warming caused by the HTHH eruption increased the likelihood of Earth temporarily tipping past that mark by another 7%.
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    I honestly can't figure out what you're babbling about there. I don't think anyone can.
     
  14. Jack Hays

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    And since then the estimated amount of water vapor put in the atmosphere has tripled.
    https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/to...precedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere
     
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    So the story is that water vapor, the greenhouse gas, warms the climate, but CO2, the greenhouse gas, doesn't warm the climate?
     
  16. Jack Hays

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    All greenhouse gases are not created equal. Water vapor is important; CO2 is not.
    Thoughts About Clouds And Water (Vapor)
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    Climate models are NOT capable of modeling clouds. Their resolution is too low and clouds are too complex. . . .
     
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    I got that point from several books and articles I've read over the last few years. Estimates vary but the general range is that CO2 contribution to GHG warning is in the range of a few percent of the total, Water vapor, clouds and aerosols contribute far more. BTW the bandwidth for CO2 was the portion of total GHG effect.
    Source

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    I was just reading about this yesterday on the "the site, whose name shall not be mentioned (WUWT). It's hard to conceive an eruption this huge.
     
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    New Study: 1900-2010 Global Warming So Uncertain Any Rate Or Magnitude Conclusion ‘Impossible’
    By Kenneth Richard on 24. July 2023

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    “The compilation of land- and sea-surface [thermometer] uncertainty yield a 1900-2010 global air-temperature record anomaly of 0.86 ± 1.92°C (2 σ), which renders impossible any conclusion regarding the rate or magnitude of climate warming since 1850 or earlier.” – Dr. Patrick Frank (2023)
    The global surface air temperature record is so contaminated by systematic error (due to solar irradiance, wind speed, albedo reflectance, thermometer physical inadequacies, drift…) that is impossible to distinguish the contaminated from the valid temperatures.

    The built-in ± 1.92°C “range of ignorance” in estimating the global temperature changes since 1900 cannot be reduced by averaging, as the errors are clearly not randomly distributed, but instead strongly related to contaminating environmental factors.

    A summarizing estimate of the global temperature change since 1900, including the range of ignorance due to error, indicates the 30-year trend was 1.82°C per century from 1971-2000, but 0.0°C per century during 1981-2010, and 1.23°C per century from 1911-1940.

    “For SSTs, the available bucket and engine-intake field calibrations show that shipboard SST measurement errors are, likewise, not random. The uncertainties attached to bucket SSTs, 2σ = ±0.4°C and engine-intake SSTs 2σ = ±2°C…”

    “Each of the engine-intake calibrations yielded a bias and uncertainty of 0.3 ±1.2°C (1σ), which obviates accuracy.”

    “The magnitude of the SST error mean itself remains unknown.”

    “The results indicated that a shipboard bucket seawater sample will not accurately convey the physically true sea-surface temperature unless three conditions are simultaneously true: (1) the thermocline is absent; (2) the vessel is heading into the wind; and (3) the mixing layer extends well below the depth of the keel.”

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    They? Don't you have your own thermometer?

    As for "they", they measure air temps for the official readings.

    I dont recall it ever been so hot, and it just keeps going week after week. Is it proof of 'man made global warming'? Not necessarily, but its still HOT.
     
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    @Jack Hays provided a good article on this.

    As for being hotter this year... They say that every year but I remember it was hot as hell last year. Every single year people complain about how hot it is
     
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    The problem concerned some screaming headlines in Europe about unprecedented temperatures. Turns out those temperatures were taken on the surface instead of two meters above, as is normal. The headline announcements were later "clarified."
     
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    People might complain, but this year just happens to be hotter than before. Last year was normal.

    Clarified? There IS a heatwave in Europe, where they are basically getting air from the Saharan desert. Its not the first time, because Southern Europe gets them from time to time
     
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    Actually, we don't know (and can't know yet) whether this year is hotter than before globally. Numerous regions are cooler this year than last year.
     
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