About the Holocaust

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  1. Grau

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    There's absolutely no evidence that Hitler, leader of the Nazi party, ordered or committed a genocide:

    “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190

    Throughout our discussion you've been unable to show any evidence that there was a genocidal agenda murdering millions of Jews or anyone else.

    In my earlier Posts, I've been able to produce hard evidence clearly showing that there are no mass graves either from Air Photos or ground research containing even a tiny fraction of the millions of claimed deaths.

    The Germans didn't have the time, resources or manpower to dispose of millions of bodies.
    Where are they?

    Re:
    My great grandfather came to the US from Germany in the late 1800s and I spent about 3 years working, studying and living in what was then W. Germany in the mid 1970s.
    I've never spent time with Nazis, Neo Nazis or anti Semites but knew and know plenty of people who reject the standard holocaust narrative including holocaust survivors themselves and WW 2 Veterans of several nationalities.

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    WW 2 and holocaust propaganda lies are everywhere in US MSM and countless equally fraudulent holocaust related books(1). Schoolchildren are brainwashed with the usual lies and "holocaust survivors" are paid outrageous fees to spread their lies. Eli Wiesel used to charge at least $25,000- per lecture and insisted in being driven in a limousine.

    In an ironic turn of fate, the wealthy Wiesel was cheated out of his entire fortune by banker, Bernie Madoff.

    Even though the brainwashing goes on in the West, the majority of people around the world can easily see through the impossible lies that comprise the standard holocaust myths.

    In addition to the profit motive to keep making money flowing to holocaust theme parks and their highly paid CEOs, another motive is to deflect international criticism of Israel's ethnic cleansing agenda in Palestine:

    EXCERPTS "“Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic.....

    And it’s very easy to blame people who criticize certain acts of the Israeli government as anti-Semitic, and to bring up the Holocaust, and the suffering of the Jewish people, and that is to justify everything we do to the Palestinians.”CONTINUED

    Shulamit Aloni
    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1906/S00076/dont-be-caught-out-by-the-trick.htm


    As you can see, there's both an enormous financial and propaganda motive to keep lies about "evil Germans" and the holocaust alive.


    (1) "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html

    EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war.

    No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out.

    Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED


    (2) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
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    This sounds like you're able to understand the true German spirit. Germans are honest people and hate lies. Real germans would never deny historical facts like the Holocaust. Today's Germans also don't deny the HC. :)

    You think so because you believe in professional liars who tell you that the HC is a big hoax. I wish it was like that too, but it unfortunately isn't!
     
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    Yes, I feel like I do understand what you call the "true German spirit" and do hate lies. That's why I've devoted the time to expose the multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry and the outright lies that it uses to brainwash Westerners who lack the desire and the ability to look at WW 2's facts objectively and rationally.

    If you'll just look through the previous pages of this thread, you'll see that I've been able to refute numerous Holocaust Industry lies with hard evidence while you've been entirely unable to refute anything that I've both written and supported

    For example, the original Auschwitz death ledger that was hidden from the world by the Soviets states that 68,864 people died of all causes(1). Even the cause of death and other details are listed but brainwashed holocaustians were willing to believe that 4 million people were murdered primarily in gas chambers that neither exist or existed. That outright lie was changed to an equally ridiculous 1.1 million based only on transfer records that prove nothing except that people were transferred not murdered.

    The corrupt Holocaust Industry deliberately inflates this and other numbers to extort more money from Germany and make their myth more tragic to continue stealing Palestine. That's their motive for lying while, historically, there has been only vengeful misery inflicted on "holocaust deniers" who tell the truth. Truth tellers have been beaten, burned, bankrupted, slandered and tormented by the Holocaust Industry so they have no motive other than exposing lies.

    I've asked you before and I'll ask you again: Why do you believe a completely fabricated number (1.1 million) over a more realistic number of 68,864 that comes from an original document?



    (1) “Deaths at Auschwitz, 1942”
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/decrypts/deaths_at_auschwitz_1942_v3.pdf

    EXCERPT “More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz. That is the plain testimony of these Death Books.

    We Reject.... It has been averred that ‘Up to 175,000’ Jews were deported to Auschwitz by the end of 1942 . That is impossibly high, because less than forty percent of all inmates were Jewish: a figure of fifty or sixty thousand would be more reasonable. Likewise Mr Jan van Pelt averred that ‘In 1942, two hundred thousand Jews were gassed in buildings 1 and 2.’8 There cannot have been anything like such numbers arriving: and the Death Books have around onethirtieth that number of Jews die in that year! These texts tend to claim that huge numbers of Jews arrived without being registered (and were gassed right away), however we would rather stick to documented data.

    Grand Total: 68,864 deaths” CONTINUED
     
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    Maybe in your dreams.
    So far you've only been referring to lies and misunderstandings as all Holocaust deniers do.

    There's no "hard evidence" to refute the Holocaust. The statements of the perpetrators and victims, and their written legacy, are unmistakable. The HC happened! Whether you like it or not. :(
     
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    All you've been able to do during our lengthy exchange is engage in puerile name calling and repeat the same nonsense that's been poured into your head by the Holocaust Industry and its complicit Western MSM.

    You've repeatedly evaded any questions that prove that the standard holocaust narrative is almost entirely fraudulent including my most recent question:

    I've asked you before and I'll ask you again: Why do you believe a completely fabricated number (1.1 million) over a more realistic number of 68,864 that comes from an original document(*)?

    (*) “Deaths at Auschwitz, 1942”
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/decrypts/deaths_at_auschwitz_1942_v3.pdf

    EXCERPT “More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz. That is the plain testimony of these Death Books.

    We Reject.... It has been averred that ‘Up to 175,000’ Jews were deported to Auschwitz by the end of 1942 . That is impossibly high, because less than forty percent of all inmates were Jewish: a figure of fifty or sixty thousand would be more reasonable. Likewise Mr Jan van Pelt averred that ‘In 1942, two hundred thousand Jews were gassed in buildings 1 and 2.’8 There cannot have been anything like such numbers arriving: and the Death Books have around onethirtieth that number of Jews die in that year! These texts tend to claim that huge numbers of Jews arrived without being registered (and were gassed right away), however we would rather stick to documented data.

    Grand Total: 68,864 deaths” CONTINUED


    The standard holocaustian lie to account for the difference that is parroted is: "They were all taken immediately to the gas chambers." even though you can produce no tangible evidence that "homicidal gas chambers" existed or exist.

    So, who is any thinking person supposed to believe:
    1. The original, authentic document that says 68,864 people died in Auschwitz.
    Or
    2. An imaginary number made up by a Holocaust Industry that is so dishonest and corrupt(1), (2) that it even cheats holocaust survivors.

    (1)"17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (2)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED
     
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    Without having read the PDF: It refers to "1942", but Birkenau was operational after 1942 as well. In 1944, 437,000 Hungarian Jews were murdered there.

    Holocaust deniers love to ignore temporal connections. Nobody is surprised about that. :(
     
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    Here's another source that states that about 69,000 died at Auschwitz according to the actual Auschwitz Death Books:

    “The 4 Million Lie at Auschwitz”
    http://www.searchforthetruth.co.uk/holocaust

    EXCERPT “The death registry volumes fell into Soviet hands in January 1945 when Red Army forces captured Auschwitz. They remained inaccessible in Soviet archives until 1989, when officials in Moscow announced that they held 46 of the volumes, recording the deaths of 69,000 Auschwitz inmates. Consistent with the Sterbebuch records, other German wartime documents show that a very high percentage of the Jewish inmates at Auschwitz were not able to work, and were nevertheless not killed.” CONTINUED
     
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    4 million is indeed a lie.

    HC deniers like to invent false claims or take refuted false reports to declare them lies. So they suggest that they have discovered something and pretend to be serious researchers.

    All Holocaust deniers are tricksters, deceivers, and fraudsters. :(
     
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    For those who have already forgotten: Hitler announced the Holocaust on January 30, 1939 as he said:
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/Egdw0bcSJBoV/
     
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    "WORDS VS DEEDS"



    For those who are interested in actual facts over words, there is absolutely no evidence that Hitler ordered the destruction of Europe's Jews:

    “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190
     
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    The fictional claim that 4 million were killed at Auschwitz was made by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry (1), (2)
    not honest historians. It was only when honest historians revealed that that impossible figure was extracted by torture that it was lowered to an equally false number of 1.1 million.

    Meanwhile, the actual Auschwitz Death Ledger that was captured and withheld by the Russians until 1989 reports that 69,000 people died at Auschwitz during the war years of all causes especially typhus(3)

    Re:
    "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser" Socrates


    (1) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (2) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


    (3) “The 4 Million Lie at Auschwitz”
    http://www.searchforthetruth.co.uk/holocaust

    EXCERPT “The death registry volumes fell into Soviet hands in January 1945 when Red Army forces captured Auschwitz. They remained inaccessible in Soviet archives until 1989, when officials in Moscow announced that they held 46 of the volumes, recording the deaths of 69,000 Auschwitz inmates. Consistent with the Sterbebuch records, other German wartime documents show that a very high percentage of the Jewish inmates at Auschwitz were not able to work, and were nevertheless not killed.” CONTINUED
     
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    What makes you believe that Hitler, who was a totalitarian ruler, wasn't able to carry out his promise? He fought the Jews throughout his political career.

    Even in his will, Hitler implored the Germans to continue fighting the hated Jew even after the war was lost. :(
     
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    There is no real Holocaust debate 76 years after WW2 anymore. It's more like a game. HC deniers simply can't stand the truth and their opponents love the truth and don't want it to be destroyed. :)
     
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    I believe that Hitler was conflicted about Jews.

    On one hand, he feared Jews who comprised 80% - 85% of the Communist leadership that threatened to consume all of Europe and at one time controlled all of Bavaria.
    Hitler also resented the powerful & influential Jewish bankers who, according to former British PM Lloyd George: "swept statesmen, politicians, journalists and jurists all to one side..."

    The British Prime Minister, Lloyd George, wrote:
    'The international bankers swept statesmen, politicians, journalists and jurists all to one side and issued their orders with the imperiousness of absolute monarchs.'

    On the other hand, Hitler was fond of several Jews(1), saved sone who were victims of the anti Semitism that was pervasive throughout Europe(2) and even maintained a writing relationship with a Jewish child(3).

    Briefly put, I think that Hitler did not dislike Jews on an individual basis for being Jewish but disliked Jews who were Communists or influential bankers for the threat that they posed to Germany.



    (1) “5 Jews Hitler Actually Liked”
    https://historyofyesterday.com/5-jews-hitler-actually-liked-c702217e1aa5

    EXCERPT “Surprisingly, during this time in his life, Hitler also had extremely good relationships with Jewish people. At his house in Vienna, almost all of his friends were Jewish, with Josef Neumann being the closest.

    And when Hitler took over Germany, he spared some of his old Jewish friends, kept some in his party, and even formed new friendships.” CONTINUED


    (2) "1946 US report said ‘Poles persecuted the Jews as vigorously as did the Germans’"

    "Post-war declassified State Department document found long history of Polish anti-Semitism before, during and after Holocaust"
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/1946-...ed-the-jews-as-vigorously-as-did-the-germans/

    EXCERPT "A US State Department report from May 15, 1946, found “evidence that Poles persecuted the Jews as vigorously as did the Germans” during the World War II Nazi occupation of Poland.

    The declassified report was distributed Thursday by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the same day that a Polish law making it a crime to accuse the Polish nation of Nazi-era atrocities took effect. Also Thursday, senior Israeli and Polish diplomats met in Jerusalem in a bid to resolve differences over the law." CONTINUED


    (3) "Remarkable tale of Hitler's young Jewish friend"
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46192941
     
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    If the standard holocaust narrative were true, why has the fraudulent Holocaust Industry(1), (2) forced 17 "democracies" to prohibit open discussion and honest examination of that one, single topic?

    The truth welcomes the sunlight of open discussion and honest examination but a lie can only survive under the darkness of draconian "Holocaust denial" laws.


    (1) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (2) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED
     
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    Nothing is forced. They made up their own mind to fight neo-Nazism. Most of these countries suffered a lot from Nazi crimes.

    The main reason for denying the Holocaust is the whitewashing of the Hitler regime. That can never be tolerated.

    The Nazi era is a European trauma, especially for Germans. Many Germans hate their history. The Nazis destroyed German patriotism for generations in advance. :(
     
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    The idea of fighting totalitarian National Socialism with draconian censorship laws is as irrational as using gasoline to fight fire. Persecution of people for expressing an opinion with imprisonment is emulating totalitarianism / Nazism, not "fighting" it.
    The reason it is forbidden to openly discuss WW 2 and the holocaust is that the standard propaganda narrative won't stand up to open discussion and honest examination. It's that simple.

    Additionally, I don't know if you really believe the standard holocaust narrative or not since you would be among the persecuted if you admitted that the SHN was grossly distorted & inflated by the international, multi-billion dollar Holocaust Industry.
     
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    You may be right about that. Look at the US, where Holocaust denial is not prosecuted. There the people just laugh at neo-Nazis and sometimes Nazis get beaten.

    Obviously, our European lawmakers have a different mindset. Total freedom of expression may work here too, but switching is risky and would be of little use.

    The SHN* is pretty stable, even in most countries that don't forbid to deny the HC. Nearly the whole world loves truth and real history, not the lies of fake historians.

    *) Standard Holocaust Narrative, you named it so. It's a standard! :)
     
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    I wasn't able to access the U Tube you posted but if it was about beating people with different views, how is that any different from totalitarian thugs who do the same thing?

    Re:
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    Thank you. Why else would holocaustian cultists resort to totalitarian censorship and violent persecution if their beliefs were truthful enough to stand on their own. After all, one is free to reject belief in God and any other historical event in the world but it is only the holocaustian lie that cannot stand up to open discussion & honest examination.
    Why?

    Re:
    For once, you're right in that only about 1/3 of the world has been brainwashed into believing the fraudulent, standard holocaust narrative(1). I think that it is reasonable to assume that more people reject the SHN than 2/3 of the world but were afraid to answer truthfully because of draconian holocaust denial laws in many of the Western countries polled.

    Re: SHN, I use the term "standard holocaust narrative" for brevity rather spelling out "6 million Jews and 5 million others murdered mainly in homicidal gas chambers as per a genocidal agenda" since SHN is shorter than: "6MJA5MOMMIHGCAPAGA".
    In English, the word "standard" does not necessarily mean "truthful".





    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
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    Not only is the SHN so fragile and indefensible that it can't stand up to open debate and honest examination, "Holocaust denial" laws are a violation of International Law.

    United Nations Human Rights System
    https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/law-standards/united-nations-human-rights-system/
    International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
    Relevant Provision(s):

    ARTICLE 19:
    • Paragraph 1:
      Everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference.
    • Paragraph 2:
      Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice.
    • Paragraph 3:
      The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It may therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be such as are provided by law and are necessary: (a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others; (b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals.

    I can't think of anywhere except totalitarian regimes that persecute and imprison people for expressing their thoughts nor can I think of any other fanatically defended lie that carries such draconian punishment for its exposure.

    I'm not talking about support for National Socialism, Neo Nazism or anti Semitism. I'm only interested in an honest, factual and objective look at what really happened in Europe leading up to, during, and after WW 2. Such an honest, factual and objective view reveals that the Germans were no more brutal than the Allies and, according to the impartial Red Cross, ran their work camps as well as conditions would allow.(1)

    Again, please don't mistake my rejection of Allied propaganda and the Holocaust Industry's profitable myths as support for National Socialism, neo-Nazism or anti Semitism.
    I feel that a lot of the slander of the German military is built on their superior fighting ability(2) but that's a different topic.




    (1) "A Factual Appraisal Of The 'Holocaust' By The Red Cross"

    The Jews And The Concentration Camps:No Evidence Of Genocide
    http://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=18054

    EXCERPTS "Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (Inter Arma Caritas, p. 7. By October 2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportation system, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becoming inevitable.

    In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend." CONTINUED


    (2) “Their Wehrmacht Was Better Than Our Army”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...ur-army/0b2cfe73-68f4-4bc3-a62d-7626f6382dbd/

    EXCERPT ”On a man for man basis, German ground soldiers consistently inflicted casualties at about a 50 percent higher rate than they incurred from the opposing British and American troops under all circumstances (emphasis in original). This was true when they were attacking and when they were defending, when they had a local numerical superiority and when, as was usually the case, they were outnumbered, when they had air superiority and when they did not, when they won and when they lost." CONTINUED
     
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    International law is less important when it comes to European self-image. In comparison, someone living in the US can also get into serious trouble if he glosses over bin Laden's terror attack on the WTC in New York City. Each country has its own national limits on what openly can be said and what don't.

    They were indeed great fighters. German military culture, German discipline, courage, and professionalism produced the best combat force at that time. They had only one flaw: serving a criminal commander-in-chief (Hitler) who shamelessly abused their loyalty. Most of the Wehrmacht members didn't see it, only a few like Colonel Stauffenberg rose up against Hitler for the sake of the German nation. He and his comrades had to pay for it with their lives. :(
     
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    Re:
    The major difference is that a person can stand on any street corner in any democratic country, praise bin Laden, Stalin, Mao or even the devil to the heavens and not face government persecution in the form of imprisonment. Sure, that person might get some nasty looks or even beaten up but he won't face persecution from his government.

    It's only the holocaust extortion myth that is so weak and easily debunked that it cannot withstand open debate and honest examination. Any other topic is open for debate. Don't you ever wonder why?

    Even in America, the same multi billion dollar, international Holocaust Industry - Lobby that has extorted $Billions and pressured governments to enact "Holocaust denial" laws is working hard to control the narrative and synchronize the brainwashing of young schoolchildren in the US.(1)

    Earlier, you wrote: "Nearly the whole world loves truth and real history, not the lies of fake historians."
    However, I showed the ADL study that indicated that only about 1/3 of the world has been brainwashed into believing the standard holocaust myths.
    Does that make your more or. less likely to still believe the fraudulent SHN?


    (1) "On Remembrance Day, US House overwhelmingly passes Holocaust education bill"
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/on-re...erwhelmingly-passes-holocaust-education-bill/

    EXCERPT "The legislation was widely supported by the organized American Jewish community.

    “We are pleased that the House has taken action today, on International Holocaust Remembrance Day, to ensure that the lessons of the Holocaust will be passed from one generation to the next,” said Jonathan Greenblatt, head of the Anti-Defamation League.

    “We look forward to this law’s swift passage and to working closely with teachers and districts across the country to ensure that Holocaust education is uniform and consistent across the country.”CONTINUED
     
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    Not really. Shortly after the destruction of the WTC, your government invented the US Patriot Act. Someone who makes propaganda for Islamists was then in danger of being held in custody for an indefinite period of time. During WW2, the US government incarcerated people of Japanese descent, just because they could be spies.

    As you can see, the stronghold of freedom of expression, the USA, is also taking precautions to protect itself from presumably evil spirits. This should be conceded to Germany too, which has had already pulled the ass card by electing a government that plunged them and half the world into disaster.

    Denial of the Holocaust is evil and needs to be fought. It's not about love for the Jews. The point is to prevent a new version of Nazism. :)
     
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    I remember immediately after 9/11 lots of people excused the attack as retaliation for unconditional US support for Israel and lots of people claim to this day that it was an "inside job" and yet no one was locked up for what they said. What was done during WW 2 is long over but today, rejecting the fraudulent holocaust narrative is the only topic that will get you locked up in 17 "democracies" which is a violation of International law.

    The only reason you'll get locked up and face other forms of persecution in 17 countries for disputing the SHN is because it is a grossly inflated and indefensible lie that cannot withstand open discussion and honest examination.

    As I have repeatedly shown over the previous pages of this thread, there is absolutely no hard evidence that the SHN is factual.

    1. There is no mention of a genocidal agenda or homicidal gas chambers in the extensive books written by de Gaulle, Churchill or Eisenhower.

    2. There is no mention of a genocidal agenda or homicidal gas chambers in any of the secret German radio transmissions

    3. No mass graves have been found that contain even a tiny fraction of the 6 - 11 million people that the international, multi-billion dollar Holocaust Industry claims were "murdered"

    4. I've read where you claim that about 3 million people were gassed in homicidal gas chambers. That's an enormous number of people and would have required at least hundreds of gas chambers yet not one homicidal gas chamber has been found nor have any blueprints, orders or even photos been found.

    5. There are just as many eyewitnesses who contradict the SHN but they cannot speak up without facing harassment, death threats and / or some form of persecution even in the US.

    6. The original, 1,600 page and most truthful Red Cross Report (1946) makes no mention of a genocidal agenda or homicidal gas chamber.

    7. Jews were both members of the National Socialist Party and 150,000 Jews served in Hitler's military with many rising to the highest ranks and receiving Germany's highest military honors. That doesn't happen to "cannon fodder" and could not have happened if there were really a "genocidal agenda" against Europe's Jews.

    8. Thousands of autopsies were done on camp inmates after the war and not one showed death by gas.

    9. The Holocaust Industry has extorted almost $100 Billion from the German government alone. That doesn't include the additional $Billions it has extorted from other countries (Switzerland, France, the US etc) so there's a huge motive to keep the lie alive and deceive as many people as possible.

    How can any thinking person continue to believe the holocaust lie in light of all of these facts unless their government forces them to?
     
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