Prove the boards are being discriminatory (unlike the last article you submitted for this thread) and I don't mean through peoples opinions and I will. It is disingenuous and wrong to call someone racist or sexist when all you have is opinion and no proof.
I seem to remember spouting that back when I was a Liberal in the sixties. My experience has been it was always a quota system. California may have quotafied it when it wasn't suppose to be so. Moi Recovered Liberal if any Liberal can truly be termed, "recovered". r > g Do count towards Affirmative Action?
Yes I heard that too. Isn't that wonderful. Sessions claims it discriminates against White People. Yes , we, white, experience institutionalized discrimination too. Especially in a Black neighborhood
IMHO, the main evil of affirmative action is that it puts a presumption that anybody of the race/ethnic group that is assisted by affirmative action is less qualified (even in cases where the individual person was not hired due to affirmative action). As a white man, I was once hired because of racial quotas. The school system I applied to work for was under a federal court order that the teaching staff in the school system had to be representative of the community as a whole. At the time, the school system didn't have enough white men, so I was hired partly for that reason (I was qualified, but so were some of the black candidates that had been waiting for a position to open, that I got instead of them.) The bad part for me is that it took about two years for the black teachers in my school to forgive me for taking a job from their friends and relatives.
Granting special (positive) rights and privileges based purely on the inherent physical characteristics of a 'group' is a flagrant violation of 14A's equal protections clause.
A clause that has been used for too much Judicial legislation and weakening the 10th Amendment and powers reserved for the States. Education is one. Add Health & Welfare & Housing too. The 14th was passed under duress with 4 unrelated parts. It should be repealed. Certainly not used to circumvent the Bill of Rights. No amendment passed after the Bill of Rights should so glibly over rule the Bill of Rights by Judicial interpretation. A newer Amendment should have specific wording to that effect. Don't get me started. Nobody Dislikes the 14th Amendment more than Moi. Moi r > g Do Qualify for Affirmative Action ?
Once again disparate outcomes are falsely used by the left of proof of racism. Pathetic. Why are Asians victims of affirmative action in our University system ?? Some liberal progressive was on Tucker tonight. He stated that there were a disparate larger percentage of Asians in US universities. Tucker indicated that his position was that there were too many Asians students in US universities. And possible too few white male students. How does affirmative action then work - it is argued that it is necessary to bring up the percentage of blacks and Hispanics which essentially is an argument that there are too many Asians and white female students. How do advocates of affirmative action resolve/explain this ?? Expecting crickets but possible some intellectually honest advocate can explain.
Black (men and women) are welcome to study, train, qualify, and work their way up to those jobs, surely? Your argument is entirely without merit. Merit is that thing which sees majority white males on corporate boards. You know, because more white males qualify and work towards that end? oy vai
And what percentage of them are dedicated to making the board of a large corp, and are willing to work for it? We know that some dark skinned Indian Americans are .. since they now head major corporations (yes, head, not sitting around the table). This is a stupidest defence of lack of ambition.
That is, for all practical purposes, an impossible expectation. Parent(s) cannot clean the crime out of the inner cities. Unsuccessful parent(s) can't teach their children the skills needed to be successful. Unsuccessful parent(s), obviously, can't provide their children with good jobs. What do you suggest be done about all of the children who aren't fortunate to have been born to effective parents? Nothing? Are they, and their bloodlines, to be perpetually condemned to failed lives? Does the rest of society just have to accept being forever burdened by them?
Lack of ambition - LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!! Just in case you didn't know it, WHITE WOMEN are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action and always have been: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ople-benefit-the-most-from-affirmative-action So affirmative action is back in the news because the racist Keebler Elf Attorney General Jeff Sessions wanted to remind America that he wants to take this country back...to times when white men didn’t have to hear minorities whine about little things like justice or rights. The Department of Justice is now looking for right-wing lawyers to hire so they can use government resources to attack schools’ affirmative action policies for hurting white applicants. This is, of course, ridiculous considering how it goes against the very ethos of these programs. But that’s the whole point, right? I want to take a moment here to show just how badly the Trump administration wants to intimidate marginalized people—women, poor folk, trans people, people of color, immigrants, etc. It’s not about rhyme or reason because if they want affirmative action to help white people it’s already doing that. The main beneficiaries of affirmative action are not people of color. It’s white people—white women, to be exact. From Sally Kohn at TIME magazine: While people of color, individually and as groups, have been helped by affirmative action in the subsequent years, data and studies suggest women — white women in particular — have benefited disproportionately. According to one study, in 1995, 6 million women, the majority of whom were white, had jobs they wouldn’t have otherwise held but for affirmative action. That’s a bit of an older op-ed, so let’s check out something more recent from Chloe Angyal at HuffPost (emphasis mine): [A]ffirmative action has been quite beneficial to women, and disproportionately beneficial to white women. Women are now more likely to graduate with bachelor’s degrees and attend graduate school than men are and outnumber men on many college campuses. In 1970, just 7.6 percent of physicians in America were women; in 2002, that number had risen to 25.2 percent. But — and this is a big but — those benefits are more likely to accrue to white women than they are to women of color, and that imbalance has very real effects on employment and earnings later in life. In other words: affirmative action works, and it works way better for white women than it does for all the other women in America. So why is the DOJ doing this? Well, racism is never rational—and the reality of affirmative action is just another reminder of that. This move is yet another crusade in the culture war against social justice. It’s normal for bigots to whine over any perceived diminishment of their power and privilege. The problem is that now some of these bigots are running the country. And they’re using racist stereotypes—the under-qualified Black student getting a spot over a more “deserving” (white) student—to justify their use of government resources to potentially harm many generations of Americans to come as they create less diverse schools. The vast majority of these white women marry white men, have white children, and double the incomes of white families. This means that affirmative action has enriched the white middle/upper classes. The only time deluded right wingers object to AA is when a token minority person advances because of such programs - that is, unless it happens to be a Clarence Thomas. Every other time they benefit from it and happily applaud when their pockets are lined with the extra wealth.
"lack of ambition" That is the single most stupid comment in PF history. Just why the hell would people spend four years in college and another 2 or 3 years in graduate school, run up huge debts in financial loans, and make every sacrifice possible if it isn't because they have driving ambition and seek to advance themselves in life? I will be laughing at that inane comment for a long time to come.
Because it is expected of them. The United States has developed this attitude and it showed before and after the elect that some people believe you're an idiot if you do not have a college degree. Most of the people in offices across the country don't have the ambition to be on a board of directors. They either don't want the responsibility, to spend effort, or don't want the headaches.
Who gets to decide which parents are successful and which are unsuccessful? Do we institute a test to determine if people should be allowed to have kids or once pregnant if they get to keep them? Will there be a minimum income required before a person is allowed to have children? People have to be responsible for there actions and unfortunately people will make bad decisions that not only effect them, but their kids as well. Not you and certainly not the government have the right to control the life of someone else's child. I really can't believe you think this way, but your comment really smells of Dictatorial control like China had.
That sounds like a pretty good argument for eliminating affirmative action. Why would you want to use government policy to subsidize upper middle class white families at the expense of the oppressed?
All I can ask is that you not be so quick to misunderstand my comments. I honestly don't understand how you could have read so much that I didn't say.
How could I have read so much into your post? Let me remind you with bold statements that you typed. When a person makes those statements talking about Unsuccessful parents and children who weren't born to effective parents, how can I not.
SOMEONE has to be the first to break the chains (in any given family). You'd condemn future generations (of many families) because the transition might sting a bit. That's beyond crazy.
Glad you enjoyed it. Meantime, lack of ambition (to 'the board') is exactly the reason 99% of us don't make it to boards. 98% of us don't want it in the first place. Those that do ... compete with each other, not us. Since dark skinned Indians are making it past the board in American today, your argument remains legless.
