I have no problem with giving minorities a back door into colleges at all. The rich have the front door, why not let the minorities in the back door? Of course, the middle class white kid will appear to suffer but notice how they target who is to blame. You never hear about legacy admissions, never. Its always those black kids. As long as that black kid is an athlete that generates millions, they are welcome. Being black is a stigma in America, have any of you noticed that or do you live in Mayberry RFD?
Were you one of 2 "continue" votes? What about poor people, economically disadvantaged who just may not be Black?
all white corporate boards, police departments, and other elite institutions are discriminatory - your ignorant and deluded defense of those institutions is far worse though well within the confines of right wing political correctness
Discrimination is against the law and is wrong.......so prove it, prosecute it, and get rid of it. Instead you promote MORE discrimination by demanding that people that are potentially not right for a job be given it anyway. So who is the racist here.....the majority of "right wingers" that want an equal playing field and if discrimination exists prosecute it, or the majority of "left wingers" that want to use a discriminatory practice to fight a perceived discriminatory practice?
The racists are those who approve of all white boards, police squads, fire departments, school boards and other institutions when there are far better qualified people for those jobs.
You're getting even further off topic. Let's bring this back to what I originally responded to. you posted this: "The vast majority of these white women marry white men, have white children, and double the incomes of white families. This means that affirmative action has enriched the white middle/upper classes. " So my response was that sounds like a pretty good argument for eliminating affirmative action. So do you support using affirmative action to benefit white women, and by extension middle and upper middle class white families, or should white women be removed from affirmative action.
I'll say this, you have the rhetoric down. You keep spouting the same lines, but still offer no evidence of this discrimination. The ability to point at a board that is all white males proves nothing. As I have said multiple times before; prove it, prosecute it, or stop. You have proven through this repetitive rhetoric that you nothing, so instead push a very obvious and very blatantly discriminatory practice to fight a perceived and not proved discriminatory practice. Just like crying fire when there isn't is wrong, crying discrimination when there isn't is also wrong. It solves nothing and only causes disturbance and turmoil between people like you and people like me.
Funny how when it is proven that affirmative action actually benefits you of the white upper middle class, you no longer condemn it. Double standards, much??? A photo which proves my point that there are more than enough candidates from diversified racial backgrounds to hold political or associated positions in board memberships. Question: how many graduates from Howard, Southern, Tuskegee, and Fisk are on similar boards under Republicans?
the answer is in the reply you quoted: ''let's eliminate ALL discrimination whether de jure or de facto''
No the answer isn't there because some people would argue that eliminating all discrimination would be to eliminate affirmative action. So, are you advocating eliminating all affirmative action? Eliminating only white women from affirmative action? Or keeping it the way it is, with white woman benefiting and adding to the wealth and well being of white families at the expense of all other minorities?
do yourself a favor and look up the meaning of de facto and de jure - you will learn that your question has been answered
I know the answer to both, and I know it has nothing to do with the questions I asked. You do realize that it's pretty hilarious that you can NOT answer these questions? That's why I love affirmative action topics! Such fun! So let's try again! Are you advocating eliminating all affirmative action? Eliminating only white women from affirmative action? Keeping it the way it is, with white woman benefiting and adding to the wealth and well being of white families at the expense of all other minorities?
Again proving nothing. Since you have no problems with discrimination on your terms instead of none at all I'll call an end to this. I'm tired of you dodging the issues and continuing to pitch the same tired lines.
Does it occur to you that the largest purveyor of racism, genderism, sexual preference-ism is the government? Tax supported government agencies count us and categorize us as is none of their business to count. If some privately funded group wants to hire a private polling firm, that is different. If you want to stop racism, etc. Stop institutionalizing it. Stop the color coded bean counting. The equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment applies to straight, white men too. Moi r > g Make Pay Its' Fair Share!
Eliminate all affirmative action - such as the one that keeps corporate boards, police & fire departments, and school boards exclusively white. Then after all institutions and society is fully integrated, eliminate AA. Instead of making it the first thing to eliminate, make it the last one. Agree?
This is crap. AA is bigotry. It's selecting a candidate by race or gender. This is the big boy world. The most qualified, get the job. Race and gender are completely irrelevant to the position (in most cases).
Conventional discrimination is bigotry. Strange how it gets defended so often on this forum. Well, on second thought - not so strange.
Your wasting your breath or in this case fingers. He 100% believes that people should be hired based upon the color of their skin and not their knowledge, experience, or character. We tried to educated him, but he refuses to learn or see his bigoted as he accuses us of.
Bigotry is bigotry. You don't get to categorize it based on your preference. AA is bigotry, the very definition.
And conventional discrimination is not bigotry? Baloney. On a related matter, there is a controversy at Google about lack of gender diversity at the higher paying levels: https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/5/16101978/google-employee-wrote-anti-diversity-manifesto https://www.ft.com/content/faf746c0-7abb-11e7-9108-edda0bcbc928 Note that racial diversity still is not being addressed. Interestingly, I have found articles which state that while Asians have been hired at places like Google, FB, and Twitter, blacks and Hispanics only represent about 1-3% of the work force: http://www.motherjones.com/politics...le-facebook-twitter-silicon-valley-diversity/ https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/01/twitter-staff-african-american-diversity AA does not do these people even the slightest good. Nor does conventional discrimination.
I can't agree with something I don't understand. First, eliminate Affirmative Action, then after that's completed, eliminate Affirmative action? That doesn't make sense. Since YOU brought up the entire issue of Affirmative Action benefiting white women, and by extension their families, why don't you want to eliminate affirmative action for whites? It's a puzzler.
You sure love to repeat yourself and to ignore my replies. I have repeatedly said to end AA, but to do so AFTER society has ended all forms of conventional discrimination. Why don't you in the far right want to end conventional discrimination? After all, you claim to be such good moral Christians and your Bible forbids discrimination.
I've never claimed to be a Christian of any sort. That's the type of stupid, talking points type comment that sometimes can make discussing public policy issues with you guys a chore, since it shows that your goal is to try to throw stop sticks behind you as you desperately run away from the topic. That's what you've been doing in this thread. You said that AA helps white families because white women are beneficiaries of affirmative action. Fair enough. So shouldn't that mean that affirmative action should be taken away from white women? Rather than addressing that, you've been trying to "look a squirrel" ever since I first asked. Saying "to end AA, but to do so AFTER society has ended all forms of conventional discrimination" doesn't address anything since that's the official AA talking points now anyway; that affirmative action will end after all discrimination ends. But that has nothing to do with what I asked. Right now, while we live in your era of discrimination and still need AA, why do you want to manipulate it to benefit white people?
