End it. It hurts black professionals immensely so and I've seen this first hand. It's a harsh reality but when a population knows you were chosen with lower test scores, with lower experience or with no experience, that you were given only 50% of the work others were given, then you will have a very hard time out in that society because rightly or wrongly everyone's perception is that you possibly don't know what you're doing or possibly don't care what you're doing because you can't be reprimanded in any form.
Hmm... I'm not seeing anything about having some kind of government tribunal, or whatever, set up to judge parents and possibly take their kids away. Somehow, you're putting that stuff in there on your own.
Quotas were direct violations of Title VII, and strenuously opposed by liberals right up to 1968, when the 'Cleveland' and 'Philadelphia Plans' were finally defeated, only to be revived weeks later by Nixon. So yes, the quota system has been around much longer, but it wasn't Affirmative Action, no matter what they kept calling it. Quotas are racist by definition, not equal opportunity. I highly recommend getting the book I suggested earlier; it covers all the main battles and where the assorted radicals took advantage of the weakness of LBJ and Humphrey to push through the quotas, and you will also find they had quite a few Republican friends and even Dixiecrats helping them in their war against liberalism. 'Conservatives' and 'right-wingers' never saw a pork givaway they didn't like either. It's just a matter of how the loot is going to be split.
Well, that just wasn't even remotely the case when the Civil Rights movements came along, much less before they came along, which is why such legislation became popular in those days; a major factor in gaining public support was the church bombing that killed three little girls, and Bull Conner's police dogs in all their glory on national TV.
I respect you offering the Historical Record. I am offering the "lived it in California, State Colleges and University" record. So we remain two trains approaching one an other on one track in a tunnel and both still able to exit on the other side sort of speak.
Is it also sexist (protects women), discriminatory against christians( protects religious minorities), against able-bodied people (protects disabled people), and non-veterans (protects veterans)?
Very true. And AA reinforces racism, too. The white students notice that the underqualified black students don't do as well in their classes demonstrating the idea that blacks just ain't that smart.
There are at least three versions of 'affirmative action' that are quite different in impact and we need to be careful we are using the same language to mean the same thing before we move on. First of course is the ol quotas and timetables as established by either a legislative, judicial, or regulatory declaration. This is that idea that The Boston Fire Dept must show for example, that at least 5% of their new hires are minority members between 1976-1983 or that Bob Jones University will have 3% minority representation in its student body, as a response to a historic, overwhelming and obstinate bias in employment for the prior decades. It was a rather aggressive remedy and I think it should have been reserved for the most serious and tenacious forms of discrimination. It seeks to blast holes through a concrete wall of bigotry, and there will inevitably be 'collateral damage' as qualified whites will be denied equal opportunity as the Boston Fire Dept seeks compliance with that order. I do think there have been times and circumstances when it has been necessary to break down the barriers that stereotypes and fears have built out of supermanium. In my view they were to 'chemo' therapy, that can be as dangerous as the cancer they fight. But these employment quotas have to have sunsets, and those sunsets must be respected. Slightly less dramatic are but still corrosive are efforts to 'add a few points' to the scores of minorities as a balance to past discrimination. here we attempt to weigh for historic bias and mitigate. this has the same negative result in that it can compromise the integrity of the process. it should be 'sunseted ' s soon as possible. The third form of affirmative action involves recruitment and access of opportunity as opposed to hiring or . This is really about incentive programs that reach out to minorities or minority communities as opposed to a hard number as the end goal. This is all about a more aggressive recruitment plan that offers incentives to minorities to apply for jobs, and more aid packages/ that target minorities with scholarships etc. In the end the 'most qualified' candidate will be selected when objective standards are applied to the process, but there will be every effort that see to it, that there are a higher percentage of minorities among those in the running every time a position is available. Here the collateral damage is less severe and our tolerance level can therefore be extended. In short, I think in most circumstances the former two should be avoided and discontinued. We don't need to convince a lot of folks that blacks ore just are not 'smart enough' or 'too lazy' or that women are too emotional or weak etc to be considered f, and market forces will take care of the dinosaurs. its still a good idea to promote a diverse pool of applicants so I am fine with the latter.
Yeah, a "brilliant" illustration which "proves" that going to college and grad school, somehow, proves a lack of ambition. Real brilliant.
Most today are; the left wingers are the ones arguing for discrimination. You are the one that keeps referencing stories that show no proof of discrimination, but demand discrimination to make it "equal".
on the contrary, it is you right wingers who argue that AA discriminates against white men when it doubles the income of your families since it benefits your wives so much more than anyone else
Are you going to argue that the AA doesn't discriminate against white males? Two men apply for a job, one white and on not, and they have identical educations, but the white man has 5 more years experience. Normally the company would hire the person with more experience, but because of the AA they hire the not white man instead. This happens all of the time.......did the white male just get discriminated against? Fair is fair and that is what it should be and that is what most "right wingers" are arguing for...unlike the "left wingers".
Has 50 years been enough? Check back with me after a Long Boat Ride, 245 Years of Slavery, Jim Crow and Segregation Then maybe, just maybe I'll shed ONE, just (1) single tear over your unbearable victimhood
I don't know how that responds to my question. Let's try again: "That sounds like a pretty good argument for eliminating affirmative action. Why would you want to use government policy to subsidize upper middle class white families at the expense of the oppressed?"
50 Years of Affirmative Action has accomplished too little because Black people will not mainstream. They reject the Middle Class Dream. Rejecting the Middle Class Dream was an intentional move by Ron Karanga et al in order to develop a more Black experience. Yup. Ghetto or Athletic Millionaire. No in between. My hero, Eugene McCarthy 1968 (don't confuse with Joe McCarthy of the fifties) had the plan but, the politik as it is would rather welfare people in neighborhoods void of job opportunity. End Welfare Start WorkFare. And like any real working person, you may have to move to the new job. Clean Gene advocated new metropolitan areas in some of that Federal Land out west. Industry given incentive to build there. I would add integrated housing, no ethnic or racial neighborhoods. No one has to accept their WorkFare. But, Welfare should end except for those who are unable to work. Welfare is modern slavery as applied to Black people fit for employment. Moi r > g
Playing the race card methinks. Why the reference check? What purpose. What relevance to the previous upload. Just PC racism? Yet MLK spoke to the quality of one's mind and not the color of their skin. And you reference check my skin color. Go figure. I figure MLK believed in Black people main streaming. Aren't anti Mainstream attitudes really segregation?
Yes, and then end up getting sold and shipped to the new world after all of that. Bad karma hovering around them like flies around dog ****.
Quotas most definitely discriminate by race, sex, and ethnicity. You're ignorant and just peddling party hackery.
The faux 'New Left' destroyed the liberal wing of the Democratic Party, like the good commies they were then and are now; the marxist imperialists always considered the liberals as their most important road block to be removed in their agendas to undermine and destroy countries and cultures from within. They weren't worried about the right wingers, who are fellow travelers in many respects, as we've seen with the 'globalists' promoting labor racketeering and of course making Red China their Number One favorite investment mecca. they share the same views of 'the little people' to a T.
